Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

Agree regarding feel, but feel only exists for a fleeting moment solely for the person playing the device, and is based on all kinds of factors. A recorded tone exists forever and can be heard by anyone at any opportunity. Both are valid experiences, one doesn’t negate the other.

Welp, i'd argue we mostly record performances. The tones we listen usually take final shape well after sound has left a cab speaker - or a modeling device.

With modelling and profiling being where they are today, across the board, a device which feels good to play through is more important than an extra 0.5% in modelling accuracy. Kempers remain very popular to this day for that reason.
 
Welp, i'd argue we mostly record performances. The tones we listen usually take final shape well after sound has left a cab speaker - or a modeling device.

With modelling and profiling being where they are today, across the board, a device which feels good to play through is more important than an extra 0.5% in modelling accuracy. Kempers remain very popular to this day for that reason.
I’d say we can have both already, but I think everyone’s opinion will vary and it’s not really quantifiable. There’s plenty of killer modelling that is both accurate and feels excellent.

FWIW I find some real amps to not always feel amazing to play but it inspires a certain performance. Sometimes a real 2203 or Rectifier can feel a bit stiff, but that in turn forces you to adapt your performance a bit. It’s maybe another reason I’d rather things sound and feel like the real deal. Maybe others would prefer something to feel uniformly to their own taste across the board.

Real amps don’t uniformly sound or feel better (or worse) than digital, IMO it’s another reason to aim for accuracy rather than someones subjective taste.

100%. But if one is considering buying a multieffect, are they not going to actually, y’know, play through it? Or are they buying it for someone else so they can watch videos of that person playing through it?
For sure. That’s true of any gear video though. If you care about how an amplifier sounds in a recording environment, listening to audio of it being recorded has value. I fell in love with Rectifiers and 5150’s based on how others made them sound on albums I loved, not from me playing the amplifiers first. I only played the amps after I knew I liked the sound of others playing them.

Someone else might be buying a modeller to make their touring rig more practical, and listening to tones is probably way lower in what they care about.
 
I'm not willing to go as far as to completely poo-poo Youtube as a source of tonal comparison. I think in the main it can do a good job of conveying differences in audio sources. The problem is really one of taste. There are very few people who play the way I want to hear being played through this kit. That's the first major hurdle. Guys like JNC or Paul Hindmarsh (sorry both!!) are basically about as useful to me as a chocolate teapot.

But then guys like Ola or Fluff, who are far too metal orientated for me and don't use enough effects and don't actually really experiment all that much and only have like 1 or 2 sounds ... pretty much the same. Can be engaging, but I rarely learn anything.

@GuitarJon has a similar idea to cleans, crunches, high-gains as I do, and he plays in similar tunings, and he uses a lot of the same kind of chord shapes that I do. So right out of the gate, he's far more representative to me. Whereas I would guess for someone who worships at the altar of Bongelamassamassa or whatever, then Jon probably isn't their cup of tea.

And since in these comparisons, the gear is all going through the same medium with the same audio compression and what not, I think the relative differences are what are most important.

At the same time, because you're not the one behind the wheel, a YT video can never be 100% representative. I've bought pedals based on liking what I heard in YT videos, and then failed to connect with them on any meaningful level, and ended up selling them within the year. I've also heard YT videos and not really fancied the gear until I tried it myself - actually the Universal Audio pedals are a perfect example of this. I don't know why, but very few of the gear demos gave me the horn for those, until I tried them in a shop.

I think this dichotomy is probably why we have so many guitartubers in the first place. Coz everyone basically wants to hear what THEY would do with a thing.
 
At the same time, because you're not the one behind the wheel, a YT video can never be 100% representative. I've bought pedals based on liking what I heard in YT videos, and then failed to connect with them on any meaningful level, and ended up selling them within the year. I've also heard YT videos and not really fancied the gear until I tried it myself
That's why you should watch multiple sources of the same gear. When the Vox style Victory VC35 head came out, there was maybe a dozen videos on YT about it and I watched all of them. When I got my amp, it matched pretty well to my expectations - a mix of the tones I heard on record. Same thing with my Mark V 90.

actually the Universal Audio pedals are a perfect example of this. I don't know why, but very few of the gear demos gave me the horn for those, until I tried them in a shop.
For me it was the opposite. I got to try them in a store through big Genelec 8040 speakers (quite similar to my Genelec M040), and came out with "what's the big deal about these?" as I felt I could get those kind of tones out of other gear just fine.

I do agree that feel does not really come through from YT videos that easily. E.g with the Mark V 90 the feel changes a lot between the different power scaling modes, the variac power or the tube rectifier, but in a video these would probably end up sounding very similar if you were to just play e.g a loop through the amp and made sure the volume levels matched.
 
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