Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

GTR37 said:
Why can’t Ben have his idealized sound or if someone loves their SLO plug-in and a little hype gets them to the same spot , I don’t think that necessarily a bad thing if it is not detrimental to the unit
You just never have to use it
Maybe in certain cases and certain situations you may even like what it does , but saying it is better not there is kinda like the Timbuck argument about removing the legacy fx , is it not
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As I keep saying, Im not saying it's something that I think should be removed. I just have no interest at all in it. If people want to get giddy over Line 6 Employee _____'s idealised version of every single amp, good for them. It's not really a thought that has ever appealed to me.

"This IIC+ is KILLER, but I wonder how Ben Adrian would improve it? MAYBE I'll like that even more!".

Again, I'm not saying to remove it or that people shouldn't use it or enjoy it. It's just of absolutely zero interest to me, I'm not looking to deviate from a well modelled amp unless it's with mods I can apply myself. Or I'd just switch to another amp if I need a different kind of response. Modellers already offer so many ways of manipulating the tone in a direct way that the mystery fun control isn't on my radar.

And I'm just fine with that because the stock models will do everything I'm looking for already.

Before the TimBuck comparisons get out of hand :rofl He is suggesting removing things that are already good, which is nuts. I'm saying that good accurate stock models are plenty for me and this particular feature is not a selling point to me in the way that many of the other new features absolutely are. It's a novelty that'll change the tone a bit, cool. A different implementation might interest me more but I'll survive.
mikah912 said:
THIS. We want the "mystery fun" of a Hype knob AND a MOA Plexi and JCM800 as well. The most popular mods are fairly well-documented. Add them as channels on the current Agoura models in some firmware down the line. Keep the Hype knob with that too!
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MORE IS MORE!
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Why? Are amp models based on existing circuits somehow inferior or flawed?
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I think original models are great because they remove a lot of expectation, and instead lead people to evaluating a sound not based on how authentic it sounds to its real world counterpart, but whether it sounds good or not.

They can also do things that are difficult to achieve in real world circuits if the designer so wishes.

After owning so many modelers, I've come to the conclusion that the number of amp models or which specific real amps are modeled is just not very interesting to me. If there's just a handful of models that will give me the sounds I'm looking for, I'm good.

It often leads me to "eh, fuck all this modeling nonsense, don't need it" paths only to eventually come back because it's fun to experiment and modelers are practical after all.

Most days I can be left parked on the Vintage channel on either of my BluGuitar amps and I'll be happy just playing that and want for nothing else.
 
BenIfin said:
and given you will be able to load / record your own dry clips...
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Not at launch, but eventually, yes.
Going to be very interesting to see how devotees of other platforms try to shit-bag this feature once they see it in action...
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At launch, the zones are fixed, so I'm sure there'll be plenty of complaints on the settings (EDIT: and zone names!) we've chosen. They're really just meant to be a springboard for your own sounds anyway.
 
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Digital Igloo said:
Not at launch, but eventually, yes.

At launch, the zones are fixed, so I'm sure there'll be plenty of complaints on the settings (EDIT: and zone names!) we've chosen. They're really just meant to be a springboard for your own sounds anyway.
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Listen, I saw the "Ping-Pong Delay" zone names in today's clips......forget the haters! There's no reason you can't have your trademark personality permeating the unit while also giving descriptive and helpful notes in the preset.

It's a block preset. If you like it, who cares what it's called from the factory? If you don't, you know never to go there in Focus View.
 
I think the thing that is on our doorstep is that electric guitar sounds, which were once constrained to a small handful of amplifiers made with contemporary technology, really aren't any more. Starting with alternate amp designs, tone controls, and effects, there's always been an appetite to expand the sound palette of the instrument. Digital models that fill the amp role in a signal chain and do things that discrete vacuum tube amplifiers don't or can't do is just the next step in the evolution. I think the Hype idea is a cool way to advance that trend, along with some of the Line 6 original amps. I like some of those so much I've got no qualms about trusting the ear of the Line 6 sound designers. If they found a way to make it an effect now that blocks can be interactive, having a separate block placed adjacent to the amp, maybe that would make it less of a sore spot for people who are adverse to using it. Of course then everyone prone to use it would say, gosh, it's just one knob and takes up a whole block, couldn't you integrate it into the amp model so I could stuff one more delay pedal into my preset?
 
Since Stadium has WiFi, how about being able to pick your personal favorite online radio stream and mixing it into your signal for added realism on some of the vintage fuzz and wah models?

That'd be ace.
 
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MirrorProfiles said:
Why not discuss the pro's and con's with it?
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Dunno. You do you, amigo.

Although... it does kinda feel less like "I like sushi but I don't care for this particular roll" and more like "I can't stand sushi and would never eat it in a million years, but let's discuss the pros and cons of Mori Nozomi in Santa Monica."

Or "I hate horror movies and only watch romantic comedies. Let's discuss the pros and cons of Weapons."

Or "I hate modeling and only play tube amps. Let's discuss the pros and cons of the BOSS GTX-100."

Sometimes something might not be made specifically for your sensibilities. And that's okay.

/hugs
Mongillo19 said:
You'll find it a few comments down 😬

But I'm sure you'd be talking to a brick wall with many of those participating
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Thanks! Challenge accepted.
 
Digital Igloo said:
Dunno. You do you, amigo.

Although... it does kinda feel less like "I like sushi but I don't care for this particular roll" and more like "I can't stand sushi and would never eat it in a million years, but let's discuss the pros and cons of Mori Nozomi in Santa Monica."

Or "I hate horror movies and only watch romantic comedies. Let's discuss the pros and cons of Weapons."

Or "I hate modeling and only play tube amps. Let's discuss the pros and cons of the BOSS GTX-100."

Sometimes something might not be made specifically for your sensibilities. And that's okay.

/hugs

Thanks! Challenge accepted.
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Weapons.

Pros: Unexpectedly humorous. Excellent performances. Interesting timeline and sneak-ins of "higher tier" cinema influence
Cons: Marketed as "oh god the most shocking leave you speechless" crap making the pros stand out almost as cons initially. That and I am kind of tired of the oh look it's a powerful witch trope. Despite these things; I applaud it's original vibes while trying to stay in the horror lane. It is definitely a post-Hereditary film and I enjoyed it quite a bit!
 
JiveTurkey said:
Weapons.

Pros: Unexpectedly humorous. Excellent performances. Interesting timeline and sneak-ins of "higher tier" cinema influence
Cons: Marketed as "oh god the most shocking leave you speechless" crap making the pros stand out almost as cons initially. That and I am kind of tired of the oh look it's a powerful witch trope. Despite these things; I applaud it's original vibes while trying to stay in the horror lane. It is definitely a post-Hereditary film and I enjoyed it quite a bit!
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Haven’t heard of this but it has now been added to my watch list
 
I’m interested in the hype feature though I’m not expecting to use it much.

I’d enjoy a Mods knob that lets you toggle between different popular mods for a specific amp, allowing you to select or maybe even combine them.

Having some wildcard functionality in there where you just turn a knob and see what happens is fun. Hell, have hype spin through a bunch of different treatments common to certain eras of music or genres where that amp is popular.
 
BenIfin said:
Travelling around at the moment ... so not much posting ... but had a thought.

Re: Stadium and the "Hype" control naming.

To *me* the Stadium seems like its been designed and going to be a balls-to-the-wall top tier pro level device ... "almost" no compromises.

So is it just me (?) that thinks using the word "Hype" for this control is a bit gimmicky or consumer-grade ?

I think what it does is brilliant and it will be super popular amongst all levels of users ... however ... maybe something like "Idealized" or "Refined" (?)
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I think you're overthinking it.
 
Putting on my “serious” hat. Not sure this belongs here but I guess maybe it might. This occurred to me this morning.

We’ve had discussions here about Gibson buying Mesa and how that has impacted a legendary brand. How Randall seems to feel about it now. There are other cases too that might be mentioned that kinda played out the same.

But I tip my serious hat to Yamaha for not doing something similar to Line 6. And I think it also speaks very highly of the Line 6 team that a company as fine and large as I believe Yamaha to be allows them to do their thing and bring products like this to market.

Obviously I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes and maybe I’m being naive and it is more complicated. I hope not, because to me, this seems like a success story and a win for us gear freaks too.

TDLR: Kudos to Yamaha and Line 6 for a successful partnership. Go Team.
 
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