Sascha is indeed correct on a lot of his points about AI - but the fact is - the genie's out of the bag now. Ain't going back in.
We have to learnt to live with the consequences - and many of them will not be so positive in the long run.
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Sascha is indeed correct on a lot of his points about AI - but the fact is - the genie's out of the bag now. Ain't going back in.
We have to learnt to live with the consequences - and many of them will not be so positive in the long run.
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Competent, versatile staff will outlast those who let their skills atrophy, obviously. But let's not overlook the inherent problem: if AI works as advertised, fewer and fewer human developers will be needed, competent or otherwise.
And it's not as if we're only talking about software developers' jobs here. Nor are we talking about especially long timelines. (Nor have we even started talking about a computing paradigm that vastly increases our carbon footprint rather than reducing it - an about face at the worst possible time, in a field that has otherwise embraced miniaturization and efficiency.)
I agree we've already passed the point of no return with AI. And I agree that it will likely do a lot of good (in fields like medicine, materials engineering, etc.) But after that? Things will probably get worse before they get better. How much worse and how much better... That all depends on decisions we make as a species within, effectively, the blink of an eye. (It concerns me that we don't really make decisions "as a species" at all, let alone good ones.)
On a lighter note. I still want a Helix Stadium.
ian_dissonance
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Things they couldn’t create or things they could, just faster? I have no expectations of stopping AI, but I do think “art” in any capacity should be watermarked for AI unless it was a closed model ONLY trained on an artist work for them to use.
JiveTurkey
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On the bright side; the Mr. Rogers/Eazy-E videos and hair metal covers of Eastbound and Down have been pretty entertaining 
Chocol8
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Both.
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Fun-fact: the people most worried about AI are the people who created it. But what do they know?
(I think part of the problem is we're all discussing different subjects, really - talking past one another. One guy is worried about whether AI should be dabbling in the arts, the next is worried about bad code, the next is confident he'll keep his job so no worries at all... All things relating to where we're at right now. Well, we just got here. Blink and we're somewhere else. How about five or ten or maybe twenty years down the road, when we're looking at the socio-economic fallout of having coexisted with technology that's better than we are at almost everything, owned by oligarchs we never elected, consuming enormous amounts of electricity, etc. etc. etc.?)
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Sascha Franck
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Of course I'm not going to decide. But I still feel free to tell them they're full of **** in case they show no dignity.
Sascha Franck
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And because of that, we will have to resist as long as possible and whenever possible. Especially in any creative areas.
People are basically becoming cockroaches...forget about fighting anything. It's a race to the bottom.
I was pointing out that you are correct in your assessment - but truth be told, there's little that can be done about it in terms of any 'organized resistance'. The best you can do is to put out something with that human touch and hope that people still relate to that at some level.
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And all of this will be churned out more or less for the f*** of it, using massive sums of electricity, while taxpayers (mostly unawares) foot the bill and suffer the effects of the resulting pollution.
Anything creative, anything non-essential. Right now, among other things, it's being used as a virtual pal/ therapist all around the world, sometimes with terrible outcomes. But even where the outcome is neutral-to-good, there's an enormous cumulative cost. In general, I think this technology was democratized too quickly. It should have been kept in the proverbial lab a bit longer, while we answered a couple of practical and ethical questions about its potential.
Don't hate me for this: I'm also concerned about the implications in music and the arts, but I expect we'll quickly arrive at a place where these are the least of our concerns.
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I don’t know. I tried to subtly redirect but we saw how effective that was, LOL.
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I beg you. Kill this phrase in your mind now. I've had enough of itttttttt.
Let's ask ChatGPT to join in on the conversation....and maybe JNC....definitely TB3. I think we could generate a black-hole singularity.
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I'll put it another way: we were beta testers. Or possibly beta testees.
Or testes, as I'm sure you'll prefer.
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I'll start an AI thread in the Water Cooler sub. Maybe this will help:
(I should have predicted: no one wants to talk about AI in an actual AI thread. We're just like cats LOL.)
On topic: I still really want a Stadium.
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Sascha Franck
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The main issue being that AI "art" is almost indistinguishable from human art. And by that I mean the actual content, not the sound (or visual quality or whatsoever). I've listened to some Suno stuff that I actually thought of being pretty intelligently made pop music. If at all, the arrangements are still a bit lame, but the individual parts sometimes are pretty incredible already.
Now, we could of course just say that good music is good music, regarless of whomever created it. And for any folks being consumers only, it's possibly just like that. But anyone being a musician (regardless of their proficiency level) should be all up in arms, simply because the process of creating music is an incredibly vital part of the entire package. In fact, for myself it's the most important part. I enjoy playing (and kinda composing/arranging) music *much, much* more than listening to the finished product. And that's something AI is actively running into the ground. More than enough of a reason to hate it.
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Yeah he's a far better player than I'll likely ever be to be fair.
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