Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[Chocol8]

Things they couldn’t create or things they could, just faster?

Both.

 

[mbenigni]

Hey thanks buddy!! I had no idea not to be afraid of everything coming. I’ve only been doing it for 25 years, so I guess it’s better late than never.

Fun-fact: the people most worried about AI are the people who created it. But what do they know?

(I think part of the problem is we're all discussing different subjects, really - talking past one another. One guy is worried about whether AI should be dabbling in the arts, the next is worried about bad code, the next is confident he'll keep his job so no worries at all... All things relating to where we're at right now. Well, we just got here. Blink and we're somewhere else. How about five or ten or maybe twenty years down the road, when we're looking at the socio-economic fallout of having coexisted with technology that's better than we are at almost everything, owned by oligarchs we never elected, consuming enormous amounts of electricity, etc. etc. etc.?)

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[Sascha Franck]

You are not king of the world so you don't get to decide what other people do and do not use AI for.

Of course I'm not going to decide. But I still feel free to tell them they're full of **** in case they show no dignity.

 

[Sascha Franck]

We have to learnt to live with the consequences - and many of them will not be so positive in the long run.

And because of that, we will have to resist as long as possible and whenever possible. Especially in any creative areas.

 

[banned]

And because of that, we will have to resist as long as possible and whenever possible. Especially in any creative areas.

People are basically becoming cockroaches...forget about fighting anything. It's a race to the bottom.

I was pointing out that you are correct in your assessment - but truth be told, there's little that can be done about it in terms of any 'organized resistance'. The best you can do is to put out something with that human touch and hope that people still relate to that at some level.

 

[mbenigni]

And as said above: We're just giving away our cultural heritage for nothing (but a little bit of quick success for a handful of folks).
In a very small amount of years, we'll be flooded with movies starring Charlie Chaplin as the new 007 and Marilyn Monroe as the new Bond girl, with Fritz Lang being the director and the score being created by a mixture of Hans Zimmer and the Sex Pistols. And it will all look and sound absolutely real.

And all of this will be churned out more or less for the f*** of it, using massive sums of electricity, while taxpayers (mostly unawares) foot the bill and suffer the effects of the resulting pollution.

AI could (and should) be used to adress hunger, poverty, solve scientific problems, research medicines and what not. But it should be kept out of anything creative, FFS.

Anything creative, anything non-essential. Right now, among other things, it's being used as a virtual pal/ therapist all around the world, sometimes with terrible outcomes. But even where the outcome is neutral-to-good, there's an enormous cumulative cost. In general, I think this technology was democratized too quickly. It should have been kept in the proverbial lab a bit longer, while we answered a couple of practical and ethical questions about its potential.

And because of that, we will have to resist as long as possible and whenever possible. Especially in any creative areas.

Don't hate me for this: I'm also concerned about the implications in music and the arts, but I expect we'll quickly arrive at a place where these are the least of our concerns.

 

[holoholo]

wtf is thread lmao

 

[Fireproof]

wtf is thread lmao

I don’t know. I tried to subtly redirect but we saw how effective that was, LOL.

 

[Orvillain]

I think this technology was democratized

I beg you. Kill this phrase in your mind now. I've had enough of itttttttt.

 

[banned]

I don’t know. I tried to subtly redirect but we saw how effective that was, LOL.

Let's ask ChatGPT to join in on the conversation....and maybe JNC....definitely TB3. I think we could generate a black-hole singularity.

 

[mbenigni]

I beg you. Kill this phrase in your mind now. I've had enough of itttttttt.

I'll put it another way: we were beta testers. Or possibly beta testees.

Or testes, as I'm sure you'll prefer.

 

[mbenigni]

I don’t know. I tried to subtly redirect but we saw how effective that was, LOL.

I'll start an AI thread in the Water Cooler sub. Maybe this will help:

Thread 'The Official Original Artificial Intelligence We're All F***ing Doomed Thread'

Nov 13, 2025

This is a place to share your thoughts - positive, negative, indifferent - about the near, medium, and long-term implications of Artificial Intelligence.

Mainly so those poor folks in the Helix Stadium thread can get back to bickering about the release date.

OK, just to get us started: I haven't watched this specific video yet, but this guy knows approximately 1,000x more about AI than all the people telling you everything will be fine:

• mbenigni

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(I should have predicted: no one wants to talk about AI in an actual AI thread. We're just like cats LOL.)
On topic: I still really want a Stadium.

 

[Sascha Franck]

The best you can do is to put out something with that human touch

The main issue being that AI "art" is almost indistinguishable from human art. And by that I mean the actual content, not the sound (or visual quality or whatsoever). I've listened to some Suno stuff that I actually thought of being pretty intelligently made pop music. If at all, the arrangements are still a bit lame, but the individual parts sometimes are pretty incredible already.

Now, we could of course just say that good music is good music, regarless of whomever created it. And for any folks being consumers only, it's possibly just like that. But anyone being a musician (regardless of their proficiency level) should be all up in arms, simply because the process of creating music is an incredibly vital part of the entire package. In fact, for myself it's the most important part. I enjoy playing (and kinda composing/arranging) music *much, much* more than listening to the finished product. And that's something AI is actively running into the ground. More than enough of a reason to hate it.

 

[DanRad]

Entirely coincidentally, I just came across this comic strip.

 

[bucephalus]

True, I have to give him that. He is a monster player, too. But his video titles and (mostly) speculative content really piss me off.

Yeah he's a far better player than I'll likely ever be to be fair.

 

[bucephalus]

I adore Matt Berry

 

[StarF666]

Will there be a video today?

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

I'm curious - if there was a feature on Stadium that could create AI presets for you (the new PG Bias X currently does but fails miserably), what would your first prompt be to test it out?

 

[ian_dissonance]

On the bright side; the Mr. Rogers/Eazy-E videos and hair metal covers of Eastbound and Down have been pretty entertaining

Literal slop. Trash.

I'm curious - if there was a feature on Stadium that could create AI presets for you (the new PG Bias X currently does but fails miserably), what would your first prompt be to test it out?

Make me a preset that does all the FX in Car Bomb’s Mordial album with requiring expression pedals.