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lol the idiots
laxu
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Simple. The sheer amount of content available. There's really no drawback to keeping the old stuff around, same as e.g Helix or HX Stadium will have some legacy stuff.
Eventually more and more profiles will come in 2.0 variety and people slowly transition to using those.
I think the speed of capturing might be one of the bigger strengths of the new profiling. If you can make more captures in the time it takes to make one old capture, with none of the refining needed, then this allows capture vendors to update their packs much faster, or release more comprehensive packs with more settings covered.
My experience making captures is that it takes a lot of initial trial and error to get everything right in terms of levels, and then it takes a lot of time setting the amp up for different combinations of settings, typing in a name for the capture etc. Anything Kemper can do to expedite that experience will be a great boon for their platform.
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Actually I had the Bogner Shiva 1st Gen once and loved it for its response and breakup, but it was very bass heavy on the drive channel, so that I always had to use a pedal to clean up the lowend. If a Mk2 profile would let me adjust the bass resonance to be inaccurate but better, I would prefer it.
2dor
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Yeah but starting out with the most accurate representation of the amp is desirable; being able to then do cool tweaks - I'm with you here.
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You don't like that amp. Get a Mark V.
laxu
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To me the Bogner quirk is that they have so much less high end than many other amps that the treble knob is totally useless under about 5-6, and more normal settings are like 7-9. Similarly turning presence up helps.
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That’s very true. But the normal Shiva still has a lowend that needs tightening. He fixed it on the 20th but those don’t have the addictive „note bloom“ or however to call it of the normal version.
Cliff (Fractal) talked about this when modelling the shiva, his quote below
"Human nature is to put the knobs near noon. We are reticent to deviate much from noon. Amp designers exploit this and use different tapers to change the sound of their amps WITH THE KNOBS AT NOON. A prime example are Bogner amps. Everyone says "Bogner amps are dark". No they aren't. But he uses a Log10A taper for the treble pot. It's a standard Marshall tone stack. Usually a linear taper pot is used for the treble. The treble knob at 5.0 (noon) on a Bogner is equivalent to the treble knob at 1.0 on a Marshall. People put the knob at 5.0 and go "wow, this amp is dark". No it isn't. If you turned the treble up to 8 or 9 it would sound a lot like a Plexi but humans are reticent to turn the knobs to extremes. Amp designers know this and exploit it to give their amps a "signature sound"."
GTR37
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I think Tina had some bad Finnish or Swedish Fish and has been in the crapper most of 2025
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Chocol8
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I don't understand this, but I am not sure I want to either...
GTR37
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It a polite way to say Neural
Crapped the bed and i typo,d
hunter
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the problem with my Shiva wasn't the treble, it was always up high but that was fine. Problem was the lowend, I think the frequency too low maybe for the EQ dunno.Either no bass or if bass was dialed it, it was good for breakup bloom, but not for gain Angus and beyond.
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[Nathan]
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I’d rather have something close to usable at noon with reasonable lateral movement in either direction. Designing your amp to have a secret code where it starts to sound “normal” when the treble hits 9 isn’t great. Just means so much of the movement is wasted.
I’m well aware there’s endless ways to balance a tone but if treble 5 on an amp is equal to treble 1 on another amp, again just a waste of space from 0 to 6-7 there.
I’m well aware there’s endless ways to balance a tone but if treble 5 on an amp is equal to treble 1 on another amp, again just a waste of space from 0 to 6-7 there.
laxu
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I agree, a good usable range should be the goal.
It's weird that amp designers don't take this into account. Like how does Bogner end up with that specific setup on all their amps? Why does a 5150 have a presence knob that does fuck all until it's at like 7? Why do so many amps have hair trigger master volumes?
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Kemper keep using the word "resolution", but it's unclear to me what it means. Sounds more like a buzzword. I suppose it's a combination of things.
That said, from the video.. it seems that profiling 2.0 will...
1) Fix the low end (or some of it). So like it had been argued a billion times over the years, there was meaningful room for improvement. Cool.
2) Create more dynamic profiles.
So that's supposed to be closer to the real amp, from what was said in the video. Probably that means more accurate picking dynamics, more accurate results when lowering volume knob and such?
And..
3) Capturing direct amp tones will more consistency work. That was an issue before, but I don't think it was all exclusive to direct profiles.
It will be interesting to see if profiling 2.0 works fine with amps 1.0 profiling doesn't work well with, be it direct or studio profiles.
4) I don't know if improvements extend to profiling multiple distorting stages. They haven't said that's the case, but who knows.
That said, from the video.. it seems that profiling 2.0 will...
1) Fix the low end (or some of it). So like it had been argued a billion times over the years, there was meaningful room for improvement. Cool.
2) Create more dynamic profiles.
So that's supposed to be closer to the real amp, from what was said in the video. Probably that means more accurate picking dynamics, more accurate results when lowering volume knob and such?
And..
3) Capturing direct amp tones will more consistency work. That was an issue before, but I don't think it was all exclusive to direct profiles.
It will be interesting to see if profiling 2.0 works fine with amps 1.0 profiling doesn't work well with, be it direct or studio profiles.
4) I don't know if improvements extend to profiling multiple distorting stages. They haven't said that's the case, but who knows.
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Jarick
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@Dimiguitar "Definition" is a control on the Kemper amp setting. It's kind of like a tilt EQ that changes a profile from warm to bright.
2dor
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They can mince words all day long / as much as they like but the proof is always in the pudding: if the new profiling does a good job & users doing the A/B test at the profiling process' end are consistently getting good results, it doesn't really matter.
Given Kemper's record of disclosing "how stuff works", I wouldn't hold my breath for any additional clarifications other than what's already been shared and was, most likely, intentionally made to sound ambiguous.
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^ This ^ is something the current Kemper is useless at - it just has no idea - whereas on Tonex and NAM it works fine.
Its been a clearly known issue from Day 1 .... so lets see what we get.
Dimiguitar
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Not referring to the kemper control, but the word they use to describe the new profiling. "Increased resolution". I mistakenly wrote "definition" because no coffee/dumb.
Jarick
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Gotcha. Yeah I heard that too, increased resolution over and over again. I'll be interested to see if that's something truly audible.
I find that Kemper seems to have a bit of high end roll off probably to mask some of the aliasing and also to make it sound a bit warmer and more analog. Maybe the new profiling has a more extended high end?
