Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Dimiguitar]

What is more real, santa Claus or kemper firmware 2.0?

I don't know, but Santa comes on time.

 

[Orvillain]

I don't know, but Santa comes on time.

Mrs Claus trained him well.

 

[OneEng]

By the time they do finally get around to releasing it, even if it is the best thing since sliced bread in capture, it will still amount to an "eh" for most people. It's just too little too late.

Stadium simply sucked all the air out of the conversation.

 

[BenIfin]

By the time they do finally get around to releasing it, even if it is the best thing since sliced bread in capture, it will still amount to an "eh" for most people. It's just too little too late.

Stadium simply sucked all the air out of the conversation.

Yep ... its a bloody big "if" for sure ..... but if the new Profiling sound and feel ends up being considered "best" - whateveer that means - a Kemper Player with 2.0 loaded even without a Lvl 2 or Lvl 3 upgrade is a very compelling product that would suit a boatload of players ... just a thought.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

I always forget Kemper exists until these threads pop up again.

 

[782369]

I don't know, but Santa comes on time.

Mrs Claus trained him well.

 

[Dimiguitar]

By the time they do finally get around to releasing it, even if it is the best thing since sliced bread in capture, it will still amount to an "eh" for most people. It's just too little too late.

Stadium simply sucked all the air out of the conversation.

And tonex got updated capturing, which does amazingly well. QC too. Plus we may see other major updates from these companies before profiling 2.0 releases. Even all-in-one tonex may not be that far off.

Additionally, IK and Neural DSP didn't tease much of anything. Kemper did, and made very strong claims, which even changed in time. But they did not follow up with much material. No videos showing results, just mostly silence other than the event video.

IMO if you're gonna tease stuff, at least provide some nuggets here and there. Or don't tease anything, and release features like these other companies did (or for example, with the release of your new hardware...).

The kemper approach feels deflationary to me in terms of building interest.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Yeah, I was honestly quite tempted for a 'stage' a year or two ago before they did all the 'levels' nonsense, and now all these latest shenanigans .. it's really put me off.

 

[Dimiguitar]

It's pure stupidity. Pissing on product flag bearers is a horrible business move.

Agreed, but I also dislike this on the basis of... just thinking you ought, in a moral sense, show some gratitude.

It's no small thing to have a forum where there's long time users who help out people as much. This increases the value of your units to some level.

Appreciate these people.

 

[OneEng]

Yep ... its a bloody big "if" for sure ..... but if the new Profiling sound and feel ends up being considered "best" - whateveer that means - a Kemper Player with 2.0 loaded even without a Lvl 2 or Lvl 3 upgrade is a very compelling product that would suit a boatload of players ... just a thought.

Oh, I still think that it isn't possible to get a better live gig rig for under 1K that is better than a used Kemper for that purpose. Kemper Player with 2.0 still lacks a screen, but is fairly feature capable with others in the market within the $700 window.

I just think that if Kemper was going to "milk" their legacy, they should have made the value/$ much better (fully capable Player at $700). That is a very good argument that can be made.

And tonex got updated capturing, which does amazingly well. QC too. Plus we may see other major updates from these companies before profiling 2.0 releases. Even all-in-one tonex may not be that far off.

Yea, that is the other issue. All others improved as well. Kemper also seems hell bent on hanging their entire "value to the market" argument on profile accuracy. Stupid IMO.

Yeah, I was honestly quite tempted for a 'stage' a year or two ago before they did all the 'levels' nonsense, and now all these latest shenanigans .. it's really put me off.

A used stage is still a really good investment for live gigging IMO.

Agreed, but I also dislike this on the basis of... just thinking you ought, in a moral sense, show some gratitude.

It's no small thing to have a forum where there's long time users who help out people as much. This increases the value of your units to some level.

Appreciate these people.

It feels an awful lot like arrogance. These people you speak of end up being a soft-sales machine as well.

 

[texhex]

With only roughly 20K subs the Kemper YouTube channel has been pulling in 100K+ views on a good few of their videos over the last 2 or 3 months. There are definitely people interested in what they are doing.

Kemper Amps Official

This is the official Youtube Channel of Kemper GmbH for all things Kemper Profiler.

www.youtube.com

 

[ian_dissonance]

With only roughly 20K subs the Kemper YouTube channel has been pulling in 100K+ views on a good few of their videos over the last 2 or 3 months. There are definitely people interested in what they are doing.

Kemper Amps Official

This is the official Youtube Channel of Kemper GmbH for all things Kemper Profiler.

www.youtube.com

It’s the same people watching them multiple times.

 

[Dimiguitar]

With only roughly 20K subs the Kemper YouTube channel has been pulling in 100K+ views on a good few of their videos over the last 2 or 3 months. There are definitely people interested in what they are doing.

Kemper Amps Official

This is the official Youtube Channel of Kemper GmbH for all things Kemper Profiler.

www.youtube.com

For sure there are. And there could be way more if Kemper did a proper job at it.

 

[OneEng]

For sure there are. And there could be way more if Kemper did a proper job at it.

That is my feeling as well. It's not like Kemper is "going under" anytime soon. It's more like that they are in decline .... and exclusively because they failed to keep up with the market that they created.

I guess it happens. Anyone still using an IBM PC?

 

[RevBillyG]

So if modelling is a good thing for you with liquid tonestacks (and actually all the modelled distortions, overdrive and fuzz within the Kemper) can you see that modelling *everything* might not be such a bad thing?

Personally I've accepted modeling solid state technology along time ago. Modeling tubes is a different thing all together.

As you say liquid profiles marries digital modeling to capture technology & I think that's the way of the future. That's why Fractal & Line 6 are adding capture tech to their platforms.

 

[Dimiguitar]

Personally I've accepted modeling solid state technology along time ago. Modeling tubes is a different thing all together.

As you say liquid profiles marries digital modeling to capture technology & I think that's the way of the future. That's why Fractal & Line 6 are adding capture tech to their platforms.

In what sense do you think capture tech is different from modeling?

 

[BenIfin]

Well - its Dec 22 - it Winter in Germany - Industry incl. KPA will shutdown for a while - Beta Testers arent going to do much if any more beta testing over the break.

I cant see this dropping before mid-Feb 26' ... and that's probably being optimistic

 

[LP59]

I'm in no rush to get the new profiling, but it's odd that they can't be bothered to update their web page which still says "expected by summer". It's hard to tell if they are unable to update the web page or if they just don't care.

 

[Mongillo19]

It's hard to tell if they are unable to update the web page or if they just don't care.

I think we know the answer

 

[Sascha Franck]

Well - its Dec 22 - it Winter in Germany - Industry incl. KPA will shutdown for a while

Whut?
We've got the normal x-mas stuff, but that was about it.