Kemper Profiler MK 2

[laxu]

I may be totally out of my understanding here, but for Tonex or NAM would not, say, 1024 different knob captures, take at least something like ~90 <-> 120 hours of just individual capturing time before even doing the interpolation ? ... that's like around 8 hours a day for 12 <-> 15 days of just capturing ..... anyone that did that would go insane

So to extrapolate ..... if you have a basic Amp with just 6 x knobs ie: G / B / M / T / P / MV .... to get roughly 1024 capture points across 6 differnet interacting knobs, each knob can only be captured at just over 3 [ 3.2 ] distinct settings .... so that leaves an awful lot of very large "gaps" for the interpolation to be right and accurate in "filling in" ?)

Again, my apologies up front if my math's is fucked up.

Neural DSP uses some randomization to pick the ranges between the extremes for each control, and this seems to work well to train the neural network without having e.g 10^number of knobs permutations.

Similarly their Tina system is for automating this so someone doesn't need to sit there turning knobs. But still, there's really very little evidence that this is working for them when the QC hasn't had new amp models in ages that are not just plugin conversions.

 

[BenIfin]

I like a good dose of accuracy as much as the next person .... but I just want good tones that feel good to play and sound good.

I mean look as my signature - HX Stomp with GP5 in Loop running 4 x Amalgam NAM profiles .... yep on paper not brilliant - the demo I posted with NAM profiles in the GP5 aren't as "crispy" good as in the NAM Player - but once you do some very simple and quick tweaks to the whole signal chain and your global eq's etc.... this combo sounds and feels fucking awesome - as in a live 4 hour gig scenario through my Matrix GT800 and Celestion F12-200.

I think / hope / expect (?) that the MK2 2.0 LP's will be "more good'er" but maybe they wont be (?) - in which case I'll sell my Stage.

My FM3 has been collecting dust for some months so its days are probably numbered

Both the 2 new Stadium's are total overkill for my needs .... but the next gen "Stompium" - whenever it arrives - will be an instant Day 1 buy.

 

[2dor]

I like a good dose of accuracy as much as the next person .... but I just want good tones that feel good to play and sound good.

I mean look as my signature - HX Stomp with GP5 in Loop running 4 x Amalgam NAM profiles .... yep on paper not brilliant - the demo I posted with NAM profiles in the GP5 aren't as "crispy" good as in the NAM Player - but once you do some very simple and quick tweaks to the whole signal chain and your global eq's etc.... this combo sounds and feels fucking awesome - as in a live 4 hour gig scenario through my Matrix GT800 and Celestion F12-200.

I think / hope / expect (?) that the MK2 2.0 LP's will be "more good'er" but maybe they wont be (?) - in which case I'll sell my Stage.

My FM3 has been collecting dust for some months so its days are probably numbered

Both the 2 new Stadium's are total overkill for my needs .... but the next gen "Stompium" - whenever it arrives - will be an instant Day 1 buy.

That Stadium Stomp is going to sell like hotcakes.

 

[Jarick]

Aren’t we still waiting for the first Tina amp after two years?

 

[Lysander]

Aren’t we still waiting for the first Tina amp after two years?

Not two years, but TINA™ was announced on July 31 2024, and i'm 99% certain the Quad Cortex hasn't gotten a single new amp model since.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Not two years, but TINA™ was announced on July 31 2024, and i'm 99% certain the Quad Cortex hasn't gotten a single new amp model since.

Working out the advertising campaign where you pay them $1800 plus S&H to have TINA make you your own custom amp model of your amp.

 

[BenIfin]

That Stadium Stomp is going to sell like hotcakes.

Yep !

 

[BenIfin]

Aren’t we still waiting for the first Tina amp after two years?

Not two years, but TINA™ was announced on July 31 2024, and i'm 99% certain the Quad Cortex hasn't gotten a single new amp model since.

Working out the advertising campaign where you pay them $1800 plus S&H to have TINA make you your own custom amp model of your amp.

Yep. I think there's a lot less to TINA than NDSP were "marketing". I highly doubt it even exists in the physical form that the "video's" showed ?

 

[2dor]

Yep. I think there's a lot less to TINA than NDSP were "marketing". I highly doubt it even exists in the physical form that the "video's" showed ?

Maybe not in the exact form but it looks like TINA's what they resorted to when rebuilding the X versions of their plugins:

 

[Lysander]

Maybe not in the exact form but it looks like TINA's what they resorted to when rebuilding the X versions of their plugins:

You got me all excited and it turns out that video is 10 months old

 

[2dor]

You got me all excited and it turns out that video is 10 months old

It's very cool to see this stuff in action but I also can't help but wonder why aren't they churning out more plugins or new devices for the QC.

 

[DrewJD82]

It's very cool to see this stuff in action but I also can't help but wonder why aren't they churning out more plugins or new devices for the QC.

Because they haven’t figured out how to spin it so people are happy paying for non-plugin content yet.

 

[Dimiguitar]

What I wonder is... Why keep the old profiling if the new one is better and faster?

I suppose stuff like ..

1) It can be done purely on device without computer editor. 2) Some may prefer the innacuracies. Kemper mojo and such.

And 3) 2.0 profiles made with MKII and editor can also play on MKI, but via reduced "resolution" (whatever that means).

So people on MKI still have some access to profiles made with the new method. Commercial packs and such.

 

[Orvillain]

Some may prefer the innacuracies

lol the idiots

 

[laxu]

What I wonder is... Why keep the old profiling if the new one is better and faster?

Simple. The sheer amount of content available. There's really no drawback to keeping the old stuff around, same as e.g Helix or HX Stadium will have some legacy stuff.

Eventually more and more profiles will come in 2.0 variety and people slowly transition to using those.

I think the speed of capturing might be one of the bigger strengths of the new profiling. If you can make more captures in the time it takes to make one old capture, with none of the refining needed, then this allows capture vendors to update their packs much faster, or release more comprehensive packs with more settings covered.

My experience making captures is that it takes a lot of initial trial and error to get everything right in terms of levels, and then it takes a lot of time setting the amp up for different combinations of settings, typing in a name for the capture etc. Anything Kemper can do to expedite that experience will be a great boon for their platform.

 

[hunter]

lol the idiots

Actually I had the Bogner Shiva 1st Gen once and loved it for its response and breakup, but it was very bass heavy on the drive channel, so that I always had to use a pedal to clean up the lowend. If a Mk2 profile would let me adjust the bass resonance to be inaccurate but better, I would prefer it.

 

[2dor]

Actually I had the Bogner Shiva 1st Gen once and loved it for its response and breakup, but it was very bass heavy on the drive channel, so that I always had to use a pedal to clean up the lowend. If a Mk2 profile would let me adjust the bass resonance to be inaccurate but better, I would prefer it.

Yeah but starting out with the most accurate representation of the amp is desirable; being able to then do cool tweaks - I'm with you here.

 

[Orvillain]

Actually I had the Bogner Shiva 1st Gen once and loved it for its response and breakup, but it was very bass heavy on the drive channel, so that I always had to use a pedal to clean up the lowend. If a Mk2 profile would let me adjust the bass resonance to be inaccurate but better, I would prefer it.

You don't like that amp. Get a Mark V.

 

[laxu]

Actually I had the Bogner Shiva 1st Gen once and loved it for its response and breakup, but it was very bass heavy on the drive channel, so that I always had to use a pedal to clean up the lowend. If a Mk2 profile would let me adjust the bass resonance to be inaccurate but better, I would prefer it.

To me the Bogner quirk is that they have so much less high end than many other amps that the treble knob is totally useless under about 5-6, and more normal settings are like 7-9. Similarly turning presence up helps.

 

[hunter]

To me the Bogner quirk is that they have so much less high end than many other amps that the treble knob is totally useless under about 5-6, and more normal settings are like 7-9. Similarly turning presence up helps.

That’s very true. But the normal Shiva still has a lowend that needs tightening. He fixed it on the 20th but those don’t have the addictive „note bloom“ or however to call it of the normal version.