Kemper Liquid Profiling First Look

texhex said:
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Tom Selleck > HW/Jonathan
 
Jarick said:
Pretty sure HW was in marketing prior to doing content full time, so the shirt and the schtick and the monkey logo and everything is all marketing. To his credit it’s pretty identifiable.
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Yeah, I’ll give him that. I do think of him as “the douche in the Hawaiian shirt.”

I don’t fault him for his business model; I’ve tried his profiles, and they’re good. I just am not a match for his schtick on YouTube.
 
Hey all !

In a bid to get an answer, I've posted a very simple and very specific question thread in the Kemper Private forum to see if we can get this answered/clarified one way or the other.

I'll report back if I get an answer.

Ben
 
BenIfin said:
Hey all !

In a bid to get an answer, I've posted a very simple and very specific question thread in the Kemper Private forum to see if we can get this answered/clarified one way or the other.

I'll report back if I get an answer.

Ben
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You asked there, “is Liquid Profiling component modeling?” Of course it is. A tone stack is made of components, namely resistors and capacitors. Modeling the behavior of those components is by definition component modeling.

As far as what the gain knob does, Christoph Kemper tells you in the video you linked. Listen from minute 12 to 14. It models the effect of the input bright cap—which is why the Liquid Profile has to know the position of the profiled amp’s gain knob, so it knows how much bright cap effect to apply.

And actually at 14:30, CKemper literally tells you the tone stack is like a [component] modeling amp. No digging needed, there ya go.
 
yeky83 said:
You asked there, “is Liquid Profiling component modeling?” Of course it is. A tone stack is made of components, namely resistors and capacitors. Modeling the behavior of those components is by definition component modeling.

As far as what the gain knob does, Christoph Kemper tells you in the video you linked. Listen from minute 12 to 14. It models the effect of the input bright cap—which is why the Liquid Profile has to know the position of the profiled amp’s gain knob, so it knows how much bright cap effect to apply.

And actually at 14:30, CKemper literally tells you the tone stack is like a [component] modeling amp. No digging needed, there ya go.
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Just to clarify, my specific question in the KPA forum was " => have these 40+ "amp channels" all been component level modeled [like Fractal, Helix etc..] so their full Gain and Pre-Amp Stages and Full EQ Stacks are fully component level modeled (?) -or- is it some other proprietary "technique" (?) "

The question was written very directly to get a simple yes or no .... if we get a "yes" then we know .... if we get a "no" then we know ... if the response involves any kind of "fudging" then my skepticism meter will go off big time too :)

CK's comments about the "bright cap" were referenced many times after HW was preferencing his questions about the "tone stack".

C.K ... makes it very clear a few times in the first half of the video about the gain stage.

I fear I'm starting to sound like a KPA evangelist ... which I'm not .... I haven't had or used a KPA for > 5 years :)

Based on his track record and rarely speaking out "hype'ing stuff" my inclination is to believe what he said and that he has done it.

I really hope I'm right ... if I'm not ... its all good.

I strongly suspect we are going to know very soon though.

Ben
 
BenIfin said:
Just to clarify, my specific question in the KPA forum was " => have these 40+ "amp channels" all been component level modeled [like Fractal, Helix etc..] so their full Gain and Pre-Amp Stages and Full EQ Stacks are fully component level modeled (?) -or- is it some other proprietary "technique" (?) "

The question was written very directly to get a simple yes or no .... if we get a "yes" then we know .... if we get a "no" then we know ... if the response involves any kind of "fudging" then my skepticism meter will go off big time too :)

CK's comments about the "bright cap" were referenced many times after HW was preferencing his questions about the "tone stack".

C.K ... makes it very clear a few times in the first half of the video about the gain stage.

I fear I'm starting to sound like a KPA evangelist ... which I'm not .... I haven't had or used a KPA for > 5 years :)

Based on his track record and rarely speaking out "hype'ing stuff" my inclination is to believe what he said and that he has done it.

I really hope I'm right ... if I'm not ... its all good.

I strongly suspect we are going to know very soon though.

Ben
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you do you fred armisen GIF by Portlandia
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
I'm too lazy to go find all the old Cliff/Christoph bickering posts from ages ago, but I'm near certain the only thing they bickered about was how many base models were used to build the profiles, not whether or not they were built from base models.
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I vaguely recall something like that going on years ago, but I don't remember them actually bickering with each other. Now I'm going to have to go searching.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
Maybe I'm making it up. Maybe it was fanbois bickering on their behalves.
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Indeed, I don't recall Christoph "bickering" with anyone, much less another respected competitor. However, I do recall him having to react and respond to claims/assertions made by others, by providing clarifications or corrections in the most courteous and professional manner.
Class act, IMHO.
 
You guys are going to *love* t his latest TJ Video ;)



I'm off to bed :)
 
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I asked the specific question. I don't think anyone has the answer outside of CK and the beta team.
 
Tritium3H said:
Indeed, I don't recall Christoph "bickering" with anyone, much less another respected competitor. However, I do recall him having to react and respond to claims/assertions made by others, by providing clarifications or corrections in the most courteous and professional manner.
Class act, IMHO.
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Lol so courteous: https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/i...rom-cliff-of-axe-fx/&postID=260969#post260969

CC makes statements about the competitor’s products, CK makes statements about the competitor such as immature, no vision, etc. Which is whatever, I don’t much care, but y’all’s hero worshipping has gotta go.
 
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yeky83 said:
Lol so courteous: https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/i...rom-cliff-of-axe-fx/&postID=260969#post260969

CC makes statements about competitors’ products, CK makes statements about competitors such as immature, no vision, etc.
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What exactly is discourteous about it, unless one is offended by his use of the term "immature"? Also, lets keep things in context. He was responding to a rather spurious assertion, in the first place. He didn't instigate that whole episode.
 
BenIfin said:
You guys are going to *love* t his latest TJ Video ;)



I'm off to bed :)
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In terms of data can't you actually compare units to see which is most accurate? IIRC Kemper was last in the capture realm in terms of accuracy. Now, I don't want that to mean Kemper sounds the worst between QC, Tone X but as far as accuracy goes, the base profile is still going to be the least accurate so I really don't know this liquid profiling is going to fix that.

As others have said, seems really neat and glad they are moving their product forward.
 
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