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And yet here we are a whole 3 years later and some of you guys are still sucking lemons over it.
I was wrong about the QC
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And yet here we are a whole 3 years later and some of you guys are still sucking lemons over it.
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Now nowIt would seem we have an entire forum for that.
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In the current modeling landscape it has the potential to be the best modeler on the market by some margin. (Form factor, IO, modeling, captures, wireless, cloud) The negativity stems from the complete lack of integrity they showed surrounding the launch, but three years on it is still the most compelling combination of tones and functionality, which is the only reason anyone still gives a shit.
Fractal destroys it tonally, but the degree to which they dominate Neural in tones can be debated relative to Neurals complete domination of Fractal in everything else. (Form factor, UI, captures, wireless, cloud etc) I’m not convinced Fractal will be able to match Neural in the “everything else” department anytime soon, but then again Neutal drops 3 amps in 14 months on their flagship, so maybe they have plenty of time.
In either event the QC is sorta badass, while also being a sort of a glass half full situation. Lots to like now. Lots of future promise. And a complete clown show of company that went out of its way to act with as little honesty, integrity, and transparency as possible with its customer base.
Fractal destroys it tonally, but the degree to which they dominate Neural in tones can be debated relative to Neurals complete domination of Fractal in everything else. (Form factor, UI, captures, wireless, cloud etc) I’m not convinced Fractal will be able to match Neural in the “everything else” department anytime soon, but then again Neutal drops 3 amps in 14 months on their flagship, so maybe they have plenty of time.
In either event the QC is sorta badass, while also being a sort of a glass half full situation. Lots to like now. Lots of future promise. And a complete clown show of company that went out of its way to act with as little honesty, integrity, and transparency as possible with its customer base.
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Well if they wouldn't have taken and continue to take 3+ years to get to what they took money for and promised their product to be at launch, we wouldn't have toAnd yet here we are a whole 3 years later and some of you guys are still sucking lemons over it.
Idk why we are entering a mindset where the user is the whiner for holding NDSP accountable for the product they marketed. Seems like this thinking could be detrimental to consumers
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I mean, my comments have all been germane to the discussion happening in this thread. It’s not like there was no context for my posts.And yet here we are a whole 3 years later and some of you guys are still sucking lemons over it.
Like I’ve said, I’m not commenting to dissuade anyone from using what they enjoy. My jumping-off point specifically was a comment about “how in the world could anyone pick on the QC?” On that, I have some thoughts.
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But it has everything to do with the product as it gets used today. The QC isn't great or terrible based on if they add plugin compatibility in the future. It is what it is right now, just like the FM3 doesn't have gapless switching right now. Maybe it gets added someday, but it is what it is right now.
I have next to me a bunch of analog pedals plugged into an amp. Those are what they are today and aren't going to change. Doesn't matter what the ad copy was for any of it. Important thing is how good the setup is. That's where I judge the QC. The unit itself is a solid B+, maybe an A-. The marketing department gets an F. I don't care because the marketing department has no basis on what I am doing with the unit.
I guess it would be analogous to if my wife wrecked a car five years ago, and I brought it up every time there's a disagreement. At some point you just have to move on. If she wrecked a car five years ago or not, doesn't really have any impact on what we're doing today.
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Why would you want that? He lied in the past and I guess he would continue to do so. That guy doesn‘t deserve to get such a platform.
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I'm glad you're happy Jarick!
Fractal destroys Neural in routing flexibility, FX quality and quantity, footswitching flexibility, having a feature complete product (that still gets updated), gapless switching options and actually knowing how their hardware works well enough to not leave out basic shit from their manuals. And probably some other things as well. TOANZ aren't that much better (other than FX), although I find it easier to get what I want from Fractal.
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It just doesn't. It destroys it in terms of variety of amps, effects, and adjustability. It absolutely does not destroy it tonally. If it did, I wouldn't bother with it. For me, I can drop an amp and cab block in and feel like the tone is 95% of the way there much quicker than other devices, depending on the amp model.
I've also read in the last week the delays and reverbs were either completely unusable or were garbage. Absolutely false. They are boring and basic. But they are not garbage.
Probably my biggest complaint right now is that the stereo delays are limited, in that you can't have scaling adjustment to turn any stereo delay from 50% ping pong to 75% dotted eighth to 95% stereo widener. The analog has a stereo widener as a knob but the tape doesn't, which makes no sense. So you're artificially limited there for no reason.
But the delays themselves sound pretty good. I don't feel like I'm stepping into another dimension with the Axe FX 3. I can do more cool things like the Aurora multi tap delay, or 2290 inverted phase stereo, or proper stereo scaling, etc. Or with the HX I can get more character right out of the gate. Those units are probably a 9/10 on delays IMO where the QC is like a 5/10. But by the same token Boss is about a 1/10 because all the interesting delays are mono.
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Yes to all that!
I would say that if I could get the UI of QC on a Fractal product, I'd sell the QC in a minute. If QC had significantly more variety in the amps/effects and more velocity in improving the product, I'd consider selling the Fractal.
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I feel like "destroys" is a rather stong word, but I might be out of my depth in trying to judge. It's certainly fair to say FAS destroys QC in terms of variety and deep editing flexibility.
I agree NDSP is releasing new amps far too slowly given the... I mean, it's not terrible; let's just say "unremarkable" number of amp models already present. (My bigger concern, personally, is new effects.) But I do wonder whether FAS isn't appealing to a smaller and smaller niche of buyers in releasing a zillion variations of any given Marshall, etc. Here again, I'm out of my depth: I wouldn't know whether most of these sound "authentic", and I'm not always convinced one model isn't capable of being dialed in to sound like the next. I can't be the only one who hears, "firmware x.y introduces 4,632 new blackface circuits" and just kinda shrugs.
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I am definitely pro-consumer, and I take your point.
I think the reason we keep coming at odds over this is because people don't express the problems clearly, or even factually. "NDSP misrepresented the product and screwed over a bunch of early adopters at launch." Hard to refute. "The QC is a turd." See preceding thread.
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The unit itself is an A+ minus a spring reverb. The marketing department gets an F. Doug Castro gets held back on account of truancy, and that day he was caught smoking cigars in the boys' room.
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