I was wrong about the QC

[Sleezy E]

QC threads are the new TMP threads are the new QC threads!

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

11 pages in less than a day? WTF are you guys up to in here??? […]

We‘re just getting started!

 

[la szum]

QC threads are the new TMP threads are the new QC threads!

 

[Elric]

I dunno, I feel like the QC is getting constantly dragged for no real reason. It's a really great device and deserves more love. Maybe it's just me, but again having gone through a bunch of Kempers, Boss, Headrush, Helix/HX Stomp, and Fractals, it's right near the top for me.

The distaste and sh*t-talking is cultural here (TGF). This forum largely originated after a bunch of folks got banned on TGP for expressing negative opinions about the QC (back when it was in rougher shape as a product). On a lot of other boards folks are much more open to considering the QC; unless they are folks keeping score on NDSPs original claims.

In fact it seems like in the marketplace, which may be the most meaningful context, the product appears to be a huge success to me. In spite of all the stuff people come up w/ here.

 

[Achilles]

 

[timbuck3]

 

[mbenigni]

Well, there‘s always someone worse. He is a liar nonetheless.

This suggests that a totalitarian regime is worse than a guitar effects manufacturer that got out a little ahead of its skis... But only just.

 

[Achilles]

This suggests that a totalitarian regime is worse than a guitar effects manufacturer that got out a little ahead of its skis... But only just.

If he could, he would.

 

[Mongillo19]

In spite of all the stuff people come up w/ here.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

Yes the dead horse gets beat often but it almost is always followed by someone trying to make it seem like events didn't happen

NDSP falsely advertised their product at launch and one could argue until last year when the only place in the US you could buy one had it posted that it could run plugins and had an editor screenshot in the product description

NDSP decided it would be a good marketing move to take preorder money (albeit refundable) for their first ever hardware, market it on false features, and then claim the promises features were coming "SOON". 3 years post launch and we still don't have what was marketed.

NDSP claims it only takes about 8 hours to make a model of a device but yet has added almost no new models. NDSP themselves have been in record stating that they will "aggressively" be adding new models and effects. Again, this was at product launch.

Maybe they bit off more than they could chew, but to make it seem like TGF made this stuff up to slander NDSP is laughable at best. If you read any of the above and think to yourself "that is a trustworthy and transparent company right there" idk what to say. Maybe transparency and trust isn't important to you what you look for in a company, and that's fine, but to make it seem like those who have a sour taste for NDSP as a company are asinine is close minded and revisionist.

And yes, people could "get over it" and like the product for what it is now but that isn't what some of this discussion is about. It's about "why do people dislike the QC or NDSP as a whole"......see my above reasons. You can't just look at present day, you have to look at the past history especially when they are still dealing with issues from said past history.

Are people obsessing over things. Absolutely! If you aren't on gear forums you probably have no idea about NDSPs "issues". But if you don't want to deal with people that are passionate about gear, I suggest not even logging on to forums or gear sites.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

But… but… but… the form factor!

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

This suggests that a totalitarian regime is worse than a guitar effects manufacturer that got out a little ahead of its skis... But only just.

Reported for politics.

 

[mbenigni]

We‘re just getting started!

I just cued up Russian Dolls S1 on Netflix. Let's see if I still like it!

 

[timbuck3]

But… but… but… the form factor!

soon that will be irrelevant as more and more companies release similar form facy=tors

 

[Mongillo19]

soon that will be irrelevant as more and more companies release similar form facy=tors

Well the QC is the only product that does both modeling and capturing along with effects (although limited). They also will have plugins (SOON) which will always be unique to them.

The QC is a fun device but we can't kid ourselves about NDSPs troubles past and pretend like it didn't happen, especially when they still haven't made it to launch status.

 

[Achilles]

But if you don't want to deal with people that are passionate about gear, I suggest not even logging on to forums or gear sites.

Whatever this is, it has nothing to do with anyone being passionate about gear. Pretty much everyone on this board has already earned those stripes.

 

[Elric]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

Yes the dead horse gets beat often but it almost is always followed by someone trying to make it seem like events didn't happen

NDSP falsely advertised their product at launch and one could argue until last year when the only place in the US you could buy one had it posted that it could run plugins and had an editor screenshot in the product description

NDSP decided it would be a good marketing move to take preorder money (albeit refundable) for their first ever hardware, market it on false features, and then claim the promises features were coming "SOON". 3 years post launch and we still don't have what was marketed.

NDSP claims it only takes about 8 hours to make a model of a device but yet has added almost no new models. NDSP themselves have been in record stating that they will "aggressively" be adding new models and effects. Again, this was at product launch.

Maybe they bit off more than they could chew, but to make it seem like TGF made this stuff up to slander NDSP is laughable at best. If you read any of the above and think to yourself "that is a trustworthy and transparent company right there" idk what to say. Maybe transparency and trust isn't important to you what you look for in a company, and that's fine, but to make it seem like those who have a sour taste for NDSP as a company are asinine is close minded and revisionist.

And yes, people could "get over it" and like the product for what it is now but that isn't what some of this discussion is about. It's about "why do people dislike the QC or NDSP as a whole"......see my above reasons. You can't just look at present day, you have to look at the past history especially when they are still dealing with issues from said past history.

Are people obsessing over things. Absolutely! If you aren't on gear forums you probably have no idea about NDSPs "issues". But if you don't want to deal with people that are passionate about gear, I suggest not even logging on to forums or gear sites.

By all means don't buy/use one, if you feel like all of that somehow has bearing on your purchasing decision. It's not like they're guilty of war crimes but compared to their competitors their history/word is certainly much more suspect vs their marketing. How big a sin that is, is for you to decide.

Not everyone thinks of corporations as if they were people, either, though (this seems like a genz/millenial thing); so for some folks I think it is just "Is this a good product for what I'm trying to do? yes|no"...

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

[…] They also will have plugins (SOON) which will always be unique to them. […]

One could argue that Line 6‘s Helix has great plug-in integration…

 

[Whizzinby]

Purely on sounds, I think 95% of people would prefer Fractal. That's where I think if they did an Axe FX 4 and let's say it was a QC shaped box with a big color touch screen, and they redid the UI so everything was way less cluttered and easier to program, it would probably blow away everything else.

I just go back to that video where Tracii Guns is super excited about his Headrush into his Marshall. It's not the ideal setup, and the modeling is super dated, but because it's so easy for him to use and sounds good to his ears, he thinks it's the greatest thing ever.

Then again there's also probably people who want their very specific amp/cab captured, and they may prefer the QC for that. Like they have half a dozen killer amps they've been using over the last 25 years and don't really care about modeling anything else. They have their '87 JCM 800 and they know the setting they like it at, and just want that sound.

We can dream of a day where we have the depth and quality of sounds from Fractal in a box like the QC. 100%

I’m interested to see which will get there faster, and honesty I’m not convinced it will be Fractal. (Which is why I still remain cautiously optimistic in the QC. It’s a very good box as-is, but it still has a lot of potential without requiring new hardware. The groundwork is there)

 

[Jarick]

Staying with that theme.....

I'm actually using both the DM-2W along with a DD-3T (need at least 1 with tap tempo).

In my closet ready to be sold are a Suhr Discovery, Boss SD3000, Source Audio Nemesis, Strymon El Cap, and the MIJ DD3 - no tap tempo.
I've been AB'ing and rotating them in and out for quite a while and I always return to the basics. Don't want a display or incremental switches/knobs or even memory locations.

If you need all the other stuff and find the QC lacking.... cool. Just don't call it trash.

I have whipped through so many Pedal Playground builds with the concept of a DM-2W for analog slapback and something like a Strymon Dig or Keeley Halo for stereo lush goodness. But then I realize I have the HX Stomp, HX Effects, QC, and Axe FX 3 that can all do that more or less.

Have you tried the spring reverb

ALL spring reverb sucks, unless it's inside a Fender tube combo.

11 pages in less than a day? WTF are you guys up to in here???

MOM DON'T COME IN HERE

 

[Mongillo19]

all means don't buy/use one, if you feel like all of that somehow has bearing on your purchasing decision. It's not like they're guilty of war crimes but compared to their competitors their history/word is certainly much more suspect vs their marketing.

This isn't about if I would buy or use one. I'm trying to state facts about the company and why one may not want to buy the unit or why some on here have a negative view of the QC. I think that's plenty fair considering I've only presented facts imo.

There is no need to move the goalposts or hyperbole. I understand at the end of day this is music gear and not some life or death situation. I understand it isn't a "war crime". But I am on a gear forum so pardon me if I'm getting into the weeds about it.