jay mitchell
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And no modeler/profiler manufacturer has ever done that before, right?Its a nice enough improvement to using the models, but the claims feel a bit bold atm.
And no modeler/profiler manufacturer has ever done that before, right?Its a nice enough improvement to using the models, but the claims feel a bit bold atm.
I was flipping between my BluGuitar Amp 1 ME, Strymon Iridium and Axe-Fx 3 yesterday for Marshall tones and then just threw my hands up and went "these all sound/feel pretty much equally good for what I want." We are in the age of luxury where so many solutions are really, really good.
To me, accuracy is the entire point of these products, and the capture technology specifically. I can deal with differences in tone/accuracy with Helix and Axe3, because those aren't attempting to capture my EXACT amplifier. But the capture products on the market - Kemper, ToneX, NAM, Quad Cortex - they are trying to capture my exact amplifier.
Did you try changing the Liquid Profile's tonestack position?Just made a liquid profile of the BE100.
Started by following their advice of gain on 10 - too noisy to do a profile, so I lowered it to 8.
Profile itself sounds pretty good, not too different to the source although with some "kemper giveaway sound" to it. I'd absolutely be happy with using the tone, so no complaints.
Tried adjusting settings on the new profile and then matched them on the amp, then A/B'd. Not even close, the amp was way more drastic with the difference.
Didn't sound bad as such, but it doesn't make the experience any more like using a BE100, nor does it negate the need to make profiles at different settings. Will test it more to see if there is a better way of doing it.
Its a nice enough improvement to using the models, but the claims feel a bit bold atm. Its basically made the EQ behaviour a bit more amp like and familiar in a general sense. Will test more
I generally agree... but with the Kemper, it's a very mature platform that's not just a capture device. So you can just use it like a modeler with great ability to tweak amp tones (without having to flip through profiles), great effects, great performance capabilities, etc.100%
I think the vast majority of people with capture devices aren’t actually capturing anything and/or are using a significant amount other people caps. So for many, does it “sound good” ultimately matters more than “is it accurate”.
But, if you are digitizing your rig then accuracy is sort of the entire point of the device.
Generally speaking i don’t see much value in capture platforms unless you are specifically looking to capture your rig. Otherwise these devices just add unnecessary levels of micromanagement and tail chasing versus just using a model.
Caveat being that potentiometer tolerance is like +/-20%, so your BMT of 8, 2, 4 might be like 6, 3, 3 or whatever on the Kemper. The point of these tonestack models is that they behave as expected, not that they hit the exact settings.I wonder if anyone who is getting good results with liquid profiles can verify how well the tonestack thing works - capture an amp with everything at 5, then adjust settings to like B=8, M=2, T=4, P=8 and compare with the real amp at those settings.
Curious what everyone’s gauge of accuracy/realism is with this stuff.
I generally agree... but with the Kemper, it's a very mature platform that's not just a capture device. So you can just use it like a modeler with great ability to tweak amp tones (without having to flip through profiles), great effects, great performance capabilities, etc.
Yep, always going to be a factor, but they say to set your amp models to 5/10 so hopefully much of the tolerance differences get matched between the two.. Can always fine tune by ear if necessary, but you'd hope things aren't drastically off. Much easier for someone to just demonstrate it.Caveat being that potentiometer tolerance is like +/-20%, so your BMT of 8, 2, 4 might be like 6, 3, 3 or whatever on the Kemper. The point of these tonestack models is that they behave as expected, not that they hit the exact settings.
Let's not get carried away I agree it's not a hard device to learn but thats a bold claimExactly. And it's really laid out in the straightest fashion of all (programmable) modelers. So easy to use. Seriously, if I had one, I doubt I'd ever been using the editor apart from sorting some initial things (or in case it was a Kemper Stage). For someone familiar with digital devices, it's an incredibly easy to deal with thing.
Let's not get carried away I agree it's not a hard device to learn but thats a bold claim
A wise woman once said, "Oh, I go by ear..." She doesn't go by what it supposed to sound like.
Start at 3:27, if you want to go straight to it...