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I'm partial to The Deele song of the same nameEvery time I read the thread title; I read it in the singing voice of Stephen Pearcy to the tune of Body Talk. Which I know makes Alex a happy boy
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laxu
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If you own the real amp and can capture it at your favorite settings there's no problem. Especially if your amps are the kind where you rarely mess with the settings after finding them. I find that I usually adjust at least a bit to accommodate different guitars.
But if you rely on somebody else's captures then you are at the mercy of their preferences or use the available EQ options to tweak those captures, which may sound just fine to you but is not technically accurate to the real amp anymore.
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Totally get that. In reality though, I’ve just never had much trouble finding profiles/captures that work for me. If I want more tonal control, I’ll grab a direct capture and rotate out impulse responses, which generally is more effective for me than amp EQ anyway.
I really think it comes down to use cases. Those who want absolute control of a tone in the digital realm are better off with component based modeling. Those who want to capture specific sounds (their rig or otherwise) with a very high degree of realism might prefer profiling/captures.
In a perfect world we could have both in the same tech but it doesn’t seem like we are quite there yet.
laxu
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Yeah, that's why on the surface level the Quad Cortex was pretty great because it had both the captures and traditional modeling support so you can just mix and match.
To me captures are unappealing because it's so much of the same issue as IRs. "Get this vendor's packs, they're great!" or "try the captures from this random guy!" Instead to me having amp models I can tweak myself and cab sims where I can adjust the mic positioning are more intuitive tools to me.
I don't mind captures if I have full control over them from creation to usage.
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There is a problem with a lot of high gain amp captures where people capture with load boxes and turn the master volume way up, that sounds like compressed diarrhea and there's nothing that can be done afterwards to make it sound good.
That and the complete randomness of gain is what makes shitty captures.
That and the complete randomness of gain is what makes shitty captures.
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and particularly for high gain amps, using cheaper reactive load boxes that have weak undefined low end resonance. I love the convenience of load boxes, but for something like profiling, I think it’s worth just blasting your ears out for 5 minutes when reamping and then you have something worthwhile (and more accurate to the real world) to use, rather than a compromised approximation of a real tone.
Measure twice, cut once etc
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Did folks check out the latest Helix survey from Line6 (for registered users)? The part in the survey about possible future updates to the HX software/new HX based hardware was very interesting! Loved to see Line6 asking the public about the latest trends and their thoughts about it!
I can only imagine what the family of HX 2.0 devices would look like, based on the above survey. Perhaps it is many years from now that we ll see this, but it is very cool to think about it!
Edit: I will add that, I am not parting with my current HX device(s), and I will recommend the current HX modelers to anyone looking for modeling needs (even the ones that go "do you think HX is worth it, will they EOL it soon?"), For 2 reasons:
1. We are still getting updates, and the HX sounds gorgeous+integrates with any workflow like a charm.
2. I want to continue supporting Line 6 to keep giving us updates and the future modeler(s)
I can only imagine what the family of HX 2.0 devices would look like, based on the above survey. Perhaps it is many years from now that we ll see this, but it is very cool to think about it!
Edit: I will add that, I am not parting with my current HX device(s), and I will recommend the current HX modelers to anyone looking for modeling needs (even the ones that go "do you think HX is worth it, will they EOL it soon?"), For 2 reasons:
1. We are still getting updates, and the HX sounds gorgeous+integrates with any workflow like a charm.
2. I want to continue supporting Line 6 to keep giving us updates and the future modeler(s)
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Yup, almost punched through my phone screen on "not important" for touchscreen.
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But it’s not traditional component modeling. The QC “models” are actually captures.
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Bluetooth, Cloud, Mobile, Touch, Siri/Alexa...
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Never ever.
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I said it many times, anything that is considered to be professional and long lasting should NOT include the gimmicks of today that will be gone tomorrow.
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Not trying to de-rail this ...... but ^^ this completely true.
I would guess the huge-vast- >%90 of "captures" for Tonex [and NAM] are people who (i) have captured other modelers or plugins and don't admit it and (ii) have captured their amps via a load box..
The brilliant thing about Amalgamaudio Captures - and this is not me "plugging" them in any way [though I only use them] is that they are the only "pro" Capture maker I am aware of that Captures their D.I amps always in "Advanced" mode and always via a DI tap in-line with the real speaker ... the result is a stunning sound with amazing dynamics.
Anyway ... rant over ... back to the Helix :)
Ben
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Yeah I just filled it.
I think whoever is going to read it will think my selection is weird for someone who has a Helix Floor, I barely use anything.
I would want one more Guitar Inputs with the super quiet patent trick, if something goes wrong with the only quiet guitar input the Helix becomes an expensive door stopper, edit: for me.
I very often use the SPDIF output from the Helix with other guitar plugins in my DAW because of the excellent noise floor of the Guitar input, and I use the Pad and adjust the digital output volume from the Helix to calibrate the dBu value into the Plugin.
A super low noise floor guitar input is VERY important for digital amp models, especially high gain.
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laxu
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Whatever it is underneath the hood, it works the same to the end user, namely you can adjust it like an amp.
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Line6 HX Stomp purple special
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I’ve seen them stateside too (can’t remember where), and I thought about it despite having an XL. The purple is just cool.@kartikg3
If you thought blue was cool…
Line6 HX Stomp purple special
Multi-Effect Pedal Multi-effect processor with the Helix sound, Over 300 effects and models from Helix, M-Series and other Line6 products, 6 Simultaneously usable amp, cabinet and effect blocks - including looper and IR loading, Colour LC display,...
Is there an HX amp model that’s like a modern take on a Soldano? Like how Friedman amps are modern takes on Marshals. I love the SLO amp model for lower gain rock tones and ambient Rabea type stuff. Thinking maybe something similar but different will expand my creative possibilities.
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