Helix Talk

[dronerstone]

I already had an answer around it. It had to do with Fletcher Munson.

I did not notice that much difference in Fender Deluxe, Super reverb and honestly sure a bit of difference in AC30 and Marshall but not shockingly.

Also with the IRs that I now have I wouldn’t say I notice that much difference between a M65 Cream IR and a Fender Deluxe IR.

And I am sure there is a difference. But I don’t hear it as super different from each other.

That’s when I thought perhaps I am just playing on to low volumes to really notice a big difference.

I guess I am around 60-75 Db mostly when I play.

Crank that shit!

Also, seems you might be a low-gain person? Set the amps to cookin' levels, slam the front end with boost, fuzz, whatever you wish for.

Once near breakup (and beyond) is where they start to show their real face - fortunately a decent enough modeler will have all the different amps react in their unique ways when being hit with high output, etc.

Volume definitely is a point, but it's not solely that.

Your ears might also play a role, as sad as that might sound.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Volume defenitely plays a big role in judging sounds. As long as you can still more or less clearly hear your strings acoustically as well, it's likely too little volume to judge an amp sound.

 

[BahamaDada]

Yeah, it wasn't as bad as I expected (cheap AF old and half-broken PA, but they got it to work). Later during the set the sub woofers went to their knees and started cutting out, supposedly due to the volume levels of our little ensemble.

Lots of smaller/indie venues in Vienna AT looks and sounds similar, since most older buildings downtown have that kind of basement, and many of them are connected if you have a "master key" (and the owners didn't change the locks at some point). Probably a central EU thing

Having a shitass PA must be an European thing. I swear no small venue here in Germany ever had a good PA. It's always shit ass 2 8'' satelites and a halfrotten sub in the corner of the venue. Invest ONCE in a good PA? Why, nobody cares, eh?

Thanks much!

My kitchen-sink Helix preset runs a spring reverb after the amp block, then splits two ways:

1) mono 1/4 out into Katana power amp input

2) All stereo: Dual Cab block -> Legacy Tile (very slightly, to add depth) -> Stereo Widener -> dual XLR out to FOH

What's the Stereo Widener you talk about? Is that the horrible doubler-thing in "Modulation"?

 

[dronerstone]

What's the Stereo Widener you talk about? Is that the horrible doubler-thing in "Modulation"?

Nope, it's the "Stereo Imager" found among the "Volume/Pan" tools.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Crank that shit!

Also, seems you might be a low-gain person? Set the amps to cookin' levels, slam the front end with boost, fuzz, whatever you wish for.

Once near breakup (and beyond) is where they start to show their real face - fortunately a decent enough modeler will have all the different amps react in their unique ways when being hit with high output, etc.

Volume definitely is a point, but it's not solely that.

Your ears might also play a role, as sad as that might sound.

Yep I am. I often play clean or really before that edge of breaking up.

When i hear break up happening on the amp I often turn it a bit down or the guitar a bit down.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Volume defenitely plays a big role in judging sounds. As long as you can still more or less clearly hear your strings acoustically as well, it's likely too little volume to judge an amp sound.

No, i don’t play that quiet. I do hear the strings but not as I would hear it when I am unplugged

 

[ian_dissonance]

This is how I came to this question and I am sorry I should have elaborated a bit more but my thought process had not formed fully around it . Perhaps it has to do with Fletcher Munson.

I did not notice that much difference in the amps Fender Deluxe, Super reverb and honestly sure a bit of difference in AC30 and Marshall but not shockingly. A Super might have a bit more darkness … a deluxe a bit more bright. If I pick a really different amp compared to these .. yes, it becomes more distinguishable.

Also with the IRs that I now have I wouldn’t say I notice that much difference between a M65 Cream IR and a Fender Deluxe IR. And zero in the mixes.

And I am sure there is a difference. But I don’t hear it as super different from each other.

That’s when I thought perhaps I am just playing on to low volumes to really notice a big difference.

I guess I am around 60-75 Db mostly when I play.

A LOT of amps share very similar circuitry and the nuance of the sound is mostly up to the player to distinguish, IMO. I’m high gain player and I could take the Revv, Vitriol, Meteor, EV Panama Red, Oblivion, etc and get something that I would be happy with recording or playing with because they can all “do the thing” even if there are some differences in how they get there. The longer I play the more I realize the value of “tone” is entirely on the player and a lot of gear is just different maps to the same destination.

 

[Chromatizm]

A LOT of amps share very similar circuitry and the nuance of the sound is mostly up to the player to distinguish, IMO. I’m high gain player and I could take the Revv, Vitriol, Meteor, EV Panama Red, Oblivion, etc and get something that I would be happy with recording or playing with because they can all “do the thing” even if there are some differences in how they get there. The longer I play the more I realize the value of “tone” is entirely on the player and a lot of gear is just different maps to the same destination.

It's not that amp's share similar circuitry, but the fact that a lot of high gain players have the gain cranked so high that you don't hear the differences in tone. Any EQ changes are less effective and you end up with a homogenized sound.

 

[ian_dissonance]

It's not that amp's share similar circuitry, but the fact that a lot of high gain players have the gain cranked so high that you don't hear the differences in tone. Any EQ changes are less effective and you end up with a homogenized sound.

Entirely depends on what you’re listening for. I make clean/EOB amps all sound roughly the same, too. The cab is going to change the sounds more than the preamp.

 

[dronerstone]

Entirely depends on what you’re listening for. I make clean/EOB amps all sound roughly the same, too. The cab is going to change the sounds more than the preamp.

also a legit point.