Fractal Talk

[Orvillain]

 

[iaresee]

It doesn't get applied on each successive repeat causing "fading" and further exaggerated EQ changes, though does it. If you get what I mean.

Delay block - Fractal Audio Wiki

wiki.fractalaudio.com

The block diagrams make it clear that it does get applied to each successive loop.

The trouble you might be running in to is that you eventually hit a point where the EQ, while applied, stops having any major impact on the repeated sound because all that's left in the content passes through the EQ filter without much alteration. It's a bit like making a key by interesting it repeatedly in to a keyhole; eventually the two line up.

 

[iaresee]

This stuff is REALLY cool and I think I might take the plunge in getting the small screen with the two EC/XY controllers. My biggest thing to navigate right now is how often I have to walk up to my pedalboard, there's a couple songs where I can't walk away from it so I'm tickled with the idea of switching Scenes with the XY controller and using the EC controller for some weird ring mod/pitch stuff.

This dude goes through all the products, seems Luminite put some good thought into developing these with tons of features and ease of use. Everything I saw seemed entirely logical, which isn't always the case with MIDI stuff.

Oh snap. I thought my FM9 board was done, but this is giving me...ideas.

 

[- ★ - BROCKSTAR - ★ -]

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This stuff is REALLY cool and I think I might take the plunge in getting the small screen with the two EC/XY controllers. My biggest thing to navigate right now is how often I have to walk up to my pedalboard, there's a couple songs where I can't walk away from it so I'm tickled with the idea of switching Scenes with the XY controller and using the EC controller for some weird ring mod/pitch stuff.

This dude goes through all the products, seems Luminite put some good thought into developing these with tons of features and ease of use. Everything I saw seemed entirely logical, which isn't always the case with MIDI stuff.

I had these and had both of the controllers on my guitar for a bit, however programming things was just confusing as heck in my opinion.

I have been thinking about getting it back again off and on though but probably won't.

 

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definitely going to play around with send/returns now! I wonder if there's any other advantage for them with other effects that are not delay?

 

[DrewJD82]

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I had these and had both of the controllers on my guitar for a bit, however programming things was just confusing as heck in my opinion.

I have been thinking about getting it back again off and on though but probably won't.

Were you programming it with Fractal stuff at the time? Hahaha I ask because I've yet to hear of anyone having a good/easy time working with Fractal MIDI stuff. I had no problem setting up amp channel changes via MIDI, but I can imagine for this I'll be digging a bit deeper.

 

[iaresee]

Were you programming it with Fractal stuff at the time? Hahaha I ask because I've yet to hear of anyone having a good/easy time working with Fractal MIDI stuff. I had no problem setting up amp channel changes via MIDI, but I can imagine for this I'll be digging a bit deeper.

I don't quite understand how people have trouble here. Mapping CC signals in the Fractal stuff is super simple. It has a learn mode. So you just make sure your Fractal unit is on a unique channel, that the signal generating unit is sending on that channel, and then you find the thing in the MIDI setup page on the Fractal unit you want to map, hit Enter to go in to learn mode, and then have the generator unit send signal. Done.

 

[- ★ - BROCKSTAR - ★ -]

Were you programming it with Fractal stuff at the time? Hahaha I ask because I've yet to hear of anyone having a good/easy time working with Fractal MIDI stuff. I had no problem setting up amp channel changes via MIDI, but I can imagine for this I'll be digging a bit deeper.

Nah when I had it, i was using it for boss stuff, and well boss is just as bad lol

 

[DrewJD82]

I don't quite understand how people have trouble here. Mapping CC signals in the Fractal stuff is super simple. It has a learn mode. So you just make sure your Fractal unit is on a unique channel, that the signal generating unit is sending on that channel, and then you find the thing in the MIDI setup page on the Fractal unit you want to map, hit Enter to go in to learn mode, and then have the generator unit send signal. Done.

Yeah, I felt the amp channel switching was remarkably simple to do. I've got a fair amount of experience in figuring out MIDI fuckery with my G-Force/Ground Control/Expression pedals on tech created in the 90's so I'm not too afraid to dive in.

Add to that, I totally forgot Luminite was on here and has been providing ridiculously awesome customer support and working with users to add features/bug fixes faster than I've ever seen any company jump on them. I want to buy the stuff just to support that!

 

[Alex Kenivel]

This is where we're at currently

Axe SPDIF out to Focusrite interface, output 2 to TC BAM200 into the Greenback 2x12. MIDI Captain wireless to Axe and Dunlop MVP connected to Pedal 1. Programming MIDI for the Axe wasn't terribly difficult at all, especially since it's up to the user to define all message commands - the only limitations have been the MIDI devices' own quirks. This will tide me over until I get that FC-6.

Gapless switching between three presets: Vox, Marshall, and Heavy.

Vox preset has the Class-A 30W Brilliant for funk, ambient, jazz, blues.

I vacillate between a squeaky compressed clean and a broken overdrive sound. I can only describe the broken sound as a soft sponge with razors stuck in it, only those razors seem to be existing in two dimensions at once. I hit that with the compressor into the Face Fuzz and the sponge explodes and razors shoot everywhere. I have a scene that activates pitch and plex delay blocks parallel to the cab block that gives me that instant "royal" Djent clean tone.

Marshall preset has a few scenes set for Clean, Breakup, Crunch, Boosted.. 70s rock, more blues, classic metal.

The clean and breakup scenes have the Brit JM45 and Brit Brown for the rest. Boosting the Brown with the Super OD and tossing in the Ram's Head and whammy at - 12 in front of the JM45 for some Doomy fun. I spent a good amount of time auditioning Marshall models, a lot more than I did for the Vox preset.

Heavy preset is the Mark IV Mid Bright, gives me the midrange chonk that I like without it sounding too much like a cocked wah tone, boosting with the Super OD. I've probably spent the most time auditioning high gain amps, with many cases of the "next day nopes" causing me to go back to the drawing board.

Then I have maybe two or three other presets, a Deluxe Verb kitchen sink preset utilizing send/return blocks, and some presets for trying things out/auditioning/tweaking.

Deluxe Verb Kitchen Sink (still need to add tremolo and delays, but ill probably also need to populate another MIDI page for bypass switches):

I've crafted a simple reverb out of the Plex Delay that I've been using across all presets - I haven't really dove into the reverb blocks yet other than for surfy spring sounds - today may be the day.
I've set the global SIC to default to the 2x12 5153 Stealth because that's probably as close as I'm going to get to my own cab, methinks? It's working out pretty well.
Bias trem on all models is very useful but i notice some amps' power sections don't "trem" as good as a dedicated block.
I really like the onboard expression pedal calibration, too.

Need more experimenting but I get caught in a trap of swimming in great sound and don't want to put my guitar down. Theme of the past week or so:


I literally began to sing this on one of my days off when I forced myself to take care of some home responsibilities I'd been putting off since delivery.

 

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You know what is weird?

"kitchen sink" thing lol.

I have never ever seen someone describe a preset with that phrase except the fractal community lol.
I see it all over the fractal forum and things like RANF (refresh after new firmware) etc.. Then they expect newbies to know that that means.
Just type it out, geez lol.

 

[Rock Chalk]

I literally began to sing this on one of my days off when I forced myself to take care of some home responsibilities I'd been putting off since delivery.

While it might not be perfect, it really is a great piece of kit.....glad you're diggin' it.

 

[unix-guy]

I've got a fair amount of experience in figuring out MIDI fuckery with my G-Force/Ground Control/Expression pedals on tech created in the 90's so I'm not too afraid to dive in.

So did I... But the Ground Control stuff (in hindsight) is very limited in what it can do.

PCs, CC via expression pedal and IA switches (CC on/off only).

Fractal uses CC data values for scene and channel changes on blocks and there's no capability of the Ground Control to specify values. Switches can only send 0 or 127.

After I got my Axe Fx II back in the day I quickly realized these limitations and moved in another direction.

I had multiple Ground Control (original) and GC Pro as well as the Ground Link and GCX loop switchers... I was always happy with them before.

The midi system is really not hard in the Fractal. The main thing is to understand how to assign the CCs for the blocks you use and how to do scene/channel changes.

 

[DrewJD82]

So did I... But the Ground Control stuff (in hindsight) is very limited in what it can do.

PCs, CC via expression pedal and IA switches (CC on/off only).

Fractal uses CC data values for scene and channel changes on blocks and there's no capability of the Ground Control to specify values. Switches can only send 0 or 127.

After I got my Axe Fx II back in the day I quickly realized these limitations and moved in another direction.

I had multiple Ground Control (original) and GC Pro as well as the Ground Link and GCX loop switchers... I was always happy with them before.

The midi system is really not hard in the Fractal. The main thing is to understand how to assign the CCs for the blocks you use and how to do scene/channel changes.

Yep, that's really all I'm going to use it for anyway, Scene changes and turning some blocks on/off. The more I thought about using the EC controller as a remote expression pedal the less of a good idea it was because I need both my hands to play the majority of stuff I'd assign to it.

The XY controller will absolutely help my tap dancing issues going from expression pedals to the FM9 back to expression pedals and with some planning will eliminate my need to be by the board for entire songs. This is a great solution for not running a gig on MIDI playback and having free roam of the stage.

 

[- ★ - BROCKSTAR - ★ -]

Ok this return/send thing is awesome! I messed with a formant block but geez beware it feedbacks loud until you turn the controls down haha but still nice, but im having fun with putting phaser at the end of my repeats right now! I bet pitch block will be fun too, doing that next or do some combining!

 

[la szum]

Same with Herbert mid cut. I know you can get there with an EQ, but still. Would be cool to have.

I thought maybe the "actual" controls from the amp would be somewhere.

In some cases, the "actual" controls in the Fractal are actually not actual at all.

 

[- ★ - BROCKSTAR - ★ -]

WARNING: If you're going to experiment with the send/return thing, definitely turn your main volume on your unit down super low until you get the feel of it or turn it all the way off, add effect block after delay and bring it in slowly when checking each effect or effect preset. Adding some effects can cause feedback or rumbles that are super loud. I added a synth block and tried one of the synth presets and it rumbled so loud it cut audio off from my fm9 and wouldn't come back on until i rebooted, so there must be some audio safety thing baked in!

 

[Alex Kenivel]

WARNING: If you're going to experiment with the send/return thing, definitely turn your main volume on your unit down super low until you get the feel of it or turn it all the way off, add effect block after delay and bring it in slowly when checking each effect or effect preset. Adding some effects can cause feedback or rumbles that are super loud. I added a synth block and tried one of the synth presets and it rumbled so loud it cut audio off from my fm9 and wouldn't come back on until i rebooted, so there must be some audio safety thing baked in!

I did a lot of this with Helix by inserting a patch cable from send to return. Plenty of error in my trials!

You know what is weird?

"kitchen sink" thing lol.

I have never ever seen someone describe a preset with that phrase except the fractal community lol.
I see it all over the fractal forum and things like RANF (refresh after new firmware) etc.. Then they expect newbies to know that that means.
Just type it out, geez lol.

Another term used by Helixers, from where I've first heard the term.

You know what I dont hear about Helix? How fun the vocoder is, because it DOESNT HAVE ONE BUT THE POD HD500X DID WTF



TOO



MUCH



FUN

 

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I did a lot of this with Helix by inserting a patch cable from send to return. Plenty of error in my trials!


Another term used by Helixers, from where I've first heard the term.

You know what I dont hear about Helix? How fun the vocoder is, because it DOESNT HAVE ONE BUT THE POD HD500X DID WTF



TOO



MUCH



FUN

I didn't even know that helix could do that too with the send/return. Never tried that haha.

 

[- ★ - BROCKSTAR - ★ -]

Ok this send/return trick is one of my favorite things now

I'm putting my boss gm-800 guitar synth in the path, that is fun