Fractal Talk

[[Nathan]]

 

[GTR37]

I just can’t help but think about that poor guy that loved and used the HBE with the incorrect placement of a gain stage that Cliff improved
Now he has switched to the JVM orange , if that gets updated how will y’all feel ?

 

[Mongillo19]

I just can’t help but think about that poor guy that loved and used the HBE with the incorrect placement of a gain stage that Cliff improved
Now he has switched to the JVM orange , if that gets updated how will y’all feel ?

 

[Alex Kenivel]

So stop gatekeeping. Bitches.

Fuck you and your gates. Fuck your fences too. Nobody's lawn is safe.

Here's your fucking horrid JVM

 

[Alex Kenivel]

So since we're not allowed to like the JVM models, what does everyone like for modded Marshall tones?

 

[santiall]

Does @santiall have an Axe-FX? Why don’t we ask him how the JVM model fairs?

hey, no, I don't have one. I had a Kemper years ago and it was all hit or miss depending on who made the profile, I spent more time browsing profiles than playing .I have a Tone X and it is the same as the Kemper... I guess I should get a proper modeler at some point!

 

[Aleksi]

This is how it always goes. The Fractal Faithful will claim that everything is perfect and exactly like the real thing, then someone comes along and says something's not quite right. Out come the tar and feathers. Then Cliff fixes what was wrong and everything is perfect and exactly like the real thing again. Until next time.

Cliff even improves things without anyone actually complaining about them!

 

[norminal]

hey, no, I don't have one. I had a Kemper years ago and it was all hit or miss depending on who made the profile, I spent more time browsing profiles than playing .I have a Tone X and it is the same as the Kemper... I guess I should get a proper modeler at some point!

 

[laxu]

So since we're not allowed to like the JVM models, what does everyone like for modded Marshall tones?

The Cornford MK50 model!

 

[James Freeman]

And that's fine. No one is expecting you to. But some of us do. So stop gatekeeping. Bitches.

How dare you calling me a gatekeeper.

 

[James Freeman]

So since we're not allowed to like the JVM models, what does everyone like for modded Marshall tones?

So far the best results I got for a modded Marsahll is adding the zener diodes in the preamp tab and adding lowcut gain with eq to a Plexi, ala Jose mod.

 

[Orvillain]

I’m not. You’re just being daft. If it doesn’t align with your thoughts and wishes it must be wrong. Your argument that classic amps can’t and shouldn’t be improved is simply stupid. Anyone with basic knowledge knows that’s utter horseshit.

The fact that you keep insisting that my argument is that classic amps can't and shouldn't be improved, is just flat out wrong. It is not even the argument I am making. I don't even know how you could read anything I've said and come up with that. I've literally never said it. It is an illogical conclusion you've drawn.

My argument is that authenticity gets the best tones. Because the reference we all tend to have in our minds, is from a range of amps spanning the 1950's through to the 2020's. Modelling is a simulacrum of a real world phenomenon. Capturing that phenomenon as accurately as possible and as authentically as possible is the stated goal of digital amplifier circuit modelling.

This can be backed up by the fact that 200+ amps inside the Axe FX III all have names that are direct references, or at least allusions, to real world amps.

If we had clean 1-50, crunch 1-50, lead 1-50, and fartbox 1-50 labels for these, then we'd have no real world frame of reference, and we'd have to just pick the ones we like the most. Which is certainly one way of working.

But for me, when I bring up a JVM, or a Diezel, I want to know that it authentically emulates a JVM or a Diezel.


And this is my argument in full, and has been all along. I've made no claims that updates are not cool, or desirable, or necessary. But in the cases where they are, don't call it the same thing as the real world model that you improved - because it isn't the same.

 

[Orvillain]

How dare you calling me a gatekeeper.

ner ner ne ner nerrrrrrrr

 

[Orvillain]

Who did that?

Who did what?

 

[Orvillain]

Based on the copy written on the Fractal website, I really don't think we're off base by pointing out areas where the industry benchmark could be improved.