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Great way to allow deep editing, but not overwhelm anyone that doesn’t want to bother with it.
Fractal Audio Systems mystery product speculation
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Great way to allow deep editing, but not overwhelm anyone that doesn’t want to bother with it.
likitlikeyoulikeit
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that's my one bugaboo....oh well ..still gonna get it
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I need this on the Axe 3 too lol
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chalk one up on won't buy list.
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My general "I've got effects on" signal chain is a ping pong/2290 delay feeding a reverb that then feeds a reverse delay at half the tempo of everything else. Previous to this I was looking to pull this off with individual pedals, but I'm stoked I won't have to be concerned with that now!
Still most likely going to get a small loop switcher to use specific dirt pedals in front of an amp, but I'm pretty sure this hits all my hot buttons.
Still most likely going to get a small loop switcher to use specific dirt pedals in front of an amp, but I'm pretty sure this hits all my hot buttons.
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Yeah I’d love to be able to go mono into the front of my amp and then stereo into my JC fx loop to hit pre and post. I’ll go full stereo in the loop rather than mono anything. Which is fine, because the main thing is getting that FAS stereo mod/delay/verb thing going. I BYOB with my drives/fuzzes anyway.
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Fair 'nough; thanks for sharing your experience with it. It's been long enough since I used to remember the details of my config, but yeah, I would not hesitate to use that way if I needed to again (what with it just sitting there, idle, at the ready and all). It may just have to do w/ the amp's loop etc, so it may just vary.
Yeah it looks like a cool product!
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Ok, so had a look through the manual.
@FractalAudio, I think the manual needs some flowcharts so users can understand the different pages, param editing etc without the VP4 in hand. Similarly flowchart images through the Preset tutorial would help. In fact, go to town on flowcharts because one pic can often show what many words can tell. The Setup menu tables for example make those menus easy to visualize without having the unit.
The manual seems to jump from "Preset tutorial" to various pages but I have no idea how those pages are meant to be accessed other than a little "Home ... Page right 1x" hint in the corner. Have a page that shows like a little "Home -> Noise Gate -> Main Levels -> Preset EQ" diagram. Then the manual jumps to Preset Mix/Routing and I'm not sure if it's a continuation of the Home pages or something else.
Not sure if the manual is copy pasted from other manuals, but the Setup menu pages refer to 8 scenes in a few places, but the footswiches seem to only be able to access 4. Typo, or are there actually 8 scenes like on other Fractals?
Feature set seems mostly great with all the staple Fractal features in there. I'm not completely sold on onboard editing of blocks yet, I'll have to see how it actually works as the manual kind of glosses over this part.
Are the ABCD knobs just knobs or are they push button encoders as well like on the FM3? If they are push button, I could see these being the fast track to editing each block...
Depending on the price, I think this will show up on a lot of pedalboards and VP4 + QC/Tonex/Nano Cortex setups.
- I'm never a fan of "press these two switches or buttons together". They are often not that easy to activate consistently, but I can understand you have to make some compromises when you have limited footswitches and buttons. But it seems you can customize the Press and Hold functions, so you can build your own setup like with other Fractals!
- 4 blocks (each with 4 channels) per preset is enough for probably 90% of usecases. I think it's quite rare for me to have that many active at once. If you need something different, gapless switching (confirmed, it's one of the Setup menu options) and another preset should do the job.
- Channel select via "Hold a switch -> tap ABCD" switch should work pretty fast to swap a channel if needed.
- Expert Edit feature seems like a good way to hide the complexity of Fractal fx parameters.
- Changing each block and model seems easy enough, but I worry a bit that it's the Axe-Fx style "cycle one by one through fx icons" which is worse than "scroll through a list of available categories." With a list you can see what's coming next and can get to where you want faster.
- Fx editing seems to borrow a good bit from Axe-Fx so I'm a bit cautious how quick it will be to work with in practice when you have to scroll to the right block, then find the right page and tweak.
- VP4 MIDI out capabilities seem very limited. It seems to be able to send Program Change messages but those don't look very configurable. So it's definitely not going to work as a MIDI controller for your other MIDI capable pedals. That's a shame.
@FractalAudio, I think the manual needs some flowcharts so users can understand the different pages, param editing etc without the VP4 in hand. Similarly flowchart images through the Preset tutorial would help. In fact, go to town on flowcharts because one pic can often show what many words can tell. The Setup menu tables for example make those menus easy to visualize without having the unit.
The manual seems to jump from "Preset tutorial" to various pages but I have no idea how those pages are meant to be accessed other than a little "Home ... Page right 1x" hint in the corner. Have a page that shows like a little "Home -> Noise Gate -> Main Levels -> Preset EQ" diagram. Then the manual jumps to Preset Mix/Routing and I'm not sure if it's a continuation of the Home pages or something else.
Not sure if the manual is copy pasted from other manuals, but the Setup menu pages refer to 8 scenes in a few places, but the footswiches seem to only be able to access 4. Typo, or are there actually 8 scenes like on other Fractals?
Feature set seems mostly great with all the staple Fractal features in there. I'm not completely sold on onboard editing of blocks yet, I'll have to see how it actually works as the manual kind of glosses over this part.
Are the ABCD knobs just knobs or are they push button encoders as well like on the FM3? If they are push button, I could see these being the fast track to editing each block...
Depending on the price, I think this will show up on a lot of pedalboards and VP4 + QC/Tonex/Nano Cortex setups.
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I'm just going to do what I planned anyway, just swap EFx devices....HR for Fractal..... split off my loop of my amp...and send that to the fx4.....and run wdw with a power amp I am getting....so I'm good.....hahahaha....well in 6 month to a year when I can purchase it.
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Yay YouTubers and the dreaded thumbnails are coming now.
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Sterlacci getting the launch location wrong
He basically data mined this thread for his video.
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That’s what I do all the time!!! I want to hang damnit! Wit da gang yo!!
Sterlacci getting the launch location wrong
He’s getting worse and worse… sad to see. I once thought he was one of my top tubers. Not anymore… but the decline started long ago.
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he is very likable… he’s the dream dude next door you want to hang with. Bbq, play guitar, maybe even watch Netflix…. I would!Dude seems likable. Just cite your sources correctly!
But the drama queen tendencies in his YT flow have been gathering up lately.. and I won’t have it. It’s like when Cordy get all “we need to talk” in his thumb nails… that gets me old fart grumpy.
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