Fractal Audio Systems mystery product speculation

[DLC86]

Anyway, I just checked and these new AD chips are actually almost 10 times more powerful than those in the Helix, 24 GFLOPS per core vs 2.7.

https://www.analog.com/en/products/adsp-21837.html

The next generation of floor modelers will likely be way more powerful than what's currently available.

 

[DLC86]

3.5ms. Using a cheap Motu M2.

3.5ms is what's shown in the buffer setting or you actually measured it?

I have no experience with those Apple cpus, but with my 13th gen I7 no way I could run two instances of NAM plus a convolution reverb at less than 1ms, as the NAM player does.
I can barely run a single NAM at 64 samples (which is already 5 or 6 ms RTL via usb), anything lower than that starts to crackle.
Maybe I could get closer with a thunderbolt or PCIe interface but I doubt I could get under 1ms.

 

[deepskyone]

So how comes that some recent ARM powered Windows boxes are at least getting pretty close?

Good question

The Snapdragon Elite X from Qualcom uses TSMC's 4 nm node which was exclusive to Apple for quite some time (for the M2/3 and A16(?) processors). Now that Apple is gobbling up all the 3 nm capacities other companies get access to the "older" tech.

 

[deepskyone]

Good question

The Snapdragon Elite X from Qualcom uses TSMC's 4 nm node which was exclusive to Apple for quite some time (for the M2/3 and A16(?) processors). Now that Apple is gobbling up all the 3 nm capacities other companies get access to the "older" tech.

For comparison, typical NXP ARM SOCs (used by UAFX for example) are based on 28 nm or even 40 nm nodes which desktop CPUs used around 2010.

 

[Piing]

 

[deepskyone]

 

[Sascha Franck]

And FM9 and Quad Cortex chips already can handle more than double than a Helix chip

We were talking about the FM3.

 

[Sascha Franck]

3.5ms is what's shown in the buffer setting or you actually measured it?

Measured. Of course.

but with my 13th gen I7 no way I could run two instances of NAM plus a convolution reverb at less than 1ms, as the NAM player does.

But we weren't talking about the NAM player (which is a most excellent thing from technical POV).
FAS devices and most other modelers are in the ballpark of 2-3ms. You can easily get that low with some interfaces, at 96kHz you could even get below 2ms pretty easily (of course that'll cause a big CPU hit).

 

[Achilles]

So, an ARM in this case might be an "upgrade" regarding heat but a definite downgrade in processing power.

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New #1 Supercomputer: Fugaku in Japan, with A64FX, take Arm to the Top with 415 PetaFLOPs

www.anandtech.com

 

[Mongillo19]

I can't wait for this product to release for many reasons

 

[Piing]

I can't wait for this product to release for many reasons

I am afraid it will make things even worse

 

[Blix]

Heard over at TOP:

"Rumor is that Fractal seems to explore the same one amp in a pedal concept as well." (as UA)

So I guess it is the much anticipated Blues Jr in a box, finally!

 

[FuzzyAce]

Heard over at TOP:

"Rumor is that Fractal seems to explore the same one amp in a pedal concept as well." (as UA)

So I guess it is the much anticipated Blues Jr in a box, finally!

I hope it's not something like that personally. Not that it wouldn't be good, it's just a harder sell because it needs to be priced high enough for a good profit, but that would mean a very trimmed down offering. It's in that middle land of "well if I payed a little more I could get all of this over here..." And conversely, "if I pay a little less, I can get all of this over here..."

 

[Blix]

I hope it's not something like that personally. Not that it wouldn't be good, it's just a harder sell because it needs to be priced high enough for a good profit, but that would mean a very trimmed down offering. It's in that middle land of "well if I payed a little more I could get all of this over here..." And conversely, "if I pay a little less, I can get all of this over here..."

Nah, I don't think Cliff would go that route.

 

[JiveTurkey]

ALLLLLLL these discussions are sooooo goddamn goldilocks it's not even funny.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Nah, I don't think Cliff would go that route.

Did you make that rumor up?!

 

[Sascha Franck]

So I guess it is the much anticipated Blues Jr in a box, finally!

Nah... here's hope for this:

It better be accurate.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Nah... here's hope for this:

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It better be accurate.

Had one. And liked it...

 

[Blix]

Did you make that rumor up?!

Nope, quoted some guy from over there.

 

[Piing]