EVH Hypersonic (version of the FR12)

[Baba]

Yeah I play hard rock with a pretty loud drummer. I've heard conflicting reports on whether this (or the Fender equivalent) is loud enough to handle it. I'd use it mostly for my personal monitoring on stage, so I suppose it'd be fine...

I think it will be "loud enough", but you'll have to be pretty high on your outputs and volume on the FR12

 

[ucnick]

Per Liam over at the Fractal boards:

"The class D amp module for the 12 is by Kustom (Hanser) it is rated at 300w at 4 ohms. They paired it with an 8 ohm speaker so it puts out roughly half that power.

The horn has its negative lead interrupted by a cheap soic mosfet in a de-pop situation that is rated to dissipate 3 watts maximum."

Thanks.

Um... what is a "de-pop situation", electronically speaking? New one on me. Only "de-pop" term I can think of off the top of my head is removing or not installing components on a pcb, aka "depopulated".

 

[GuitarBilly74]

I think for personal monitoring it should be fine, assuming you are pumping out enough volume on your modeler (meaning you aren't feeding a really low signal). If you're trying to directly compare against a 100 watt tube amp through a 4x12 cab, you might need a second speaker to keep up with the air movement.

Thanks man. I'm running the Friedman IR-D, which is around instrument/mic level, so it's not as hot as a line level signal from a modeler...

 

[JiveTurkey]

If you have PA support; FR12 is fine. If you are a single guitar band; most likely the FR12 is fine. But it's certainly not what I would call LOUD by any stretch.

 

[jay mitchell]

Do cabinets have resonant frequencies?

Only ported cabinets have resonant frequencies. Open and sealed cabinets do not.

 

[pipelineaudio]

. I can say that the FR-12 definitely sounds the most like a real guitar amp and requires the least amount of tweaking to sound like a guitar amp.

Well then, this is nothing even resembling flat. I would rather what comes out of my "FRFR" resemble what is coming out of a studio monitor. If the FR-12 is doing something as much as you claim, that would easily be measurable as well.

Beyond my experience, if you look at the user feedback on guitar amp shaped ""FRFR"" speakers, people seem to really like those a lot more than PA style speakers, and very often like them more than studio monitors.

There are people who believe different species of wood make electric guitars sound different and those who believe that mic preamps that null to 90dB sound different. I would be interested to see what happens when someone blind tests these same people on different "FRFR" setups matched properly

So yeah in theory they are all "flat" but in practice they operate differently.

Not really, according to your claim, the FR-12 would certainly not be anything close to flat

 

[KingsXJJ]

If you have PA support; FR12 is fine. If you are a single guitar band; most likely the FR12 is fine. But it's certainly not what I would call LOUD by any stretch.

That’s why you get two. Well that and stereo!

 

[KingsXJJ]

Is this thing simply different badges?

 

[Jarick]

@KingsXJJ - I think so for all intents and purposes, although it may be a slightly different cab. The FR-12 is a woofer + tweeter and the amp section dropped into a Hot Rod Deluxe cab. The Hypersonic may be the same thing dropped onto an EVH 1x12. Someone would have to measure. But it's not the same exact cab...the HRD has a wider panel at the top and bottom.

@pipelineaudio - the Fender FR-12 isn't truly flat, and I think that's the appeal. It has a boost in the bass that makes it sound more like a big speaker cab in the room, and the cut knob turns down the tweeter. These aren't trying to be PA speakers and they aren't trying to be studio monitors. They are cabs you put in the room to play a modeler through.

 

[jay mitchell]

They are cabs you put in the room to play a modeler through.

If your modeler can't produce a convincing sound - IOW, like a tube amp played through a guitar cab - when it is played through a neutral speaker - all of mine can - then there's a deficiency in either the modeler or the preset(s) you're using.

 

[KingsXJJ]

If your modeler can't produce a convincing sound - IOW, like a tube amp played through a guitar cab - when it is played through a neutral speaker - all of mine can - then there's a deficiency in either the modeler or the preset(s) you're using.

Typical “neutral speakers” usually don’t deliver on stage SPL levels though. Although you are welcome to try playing a gig with studio monitors or headphones. Let us know how that works out for you.

 

[Stone]

Bottom Line though Use what you like and what works for your needs
I mean I use PowerCabs even though the consensus is that they are crap, maybe for others and their needs, but perfectly happy with mine
and do I care about amp in the room ...no not one bit as long as I can get the tones that i want and hear then its all good on my end

 

[pipelineaudio]

Typical “neutral speakers” usually don’t deliver on stage SPL levels though. Although you are welcome to try playing a gig with studio monitors or headphones. Let us know how that works out for you.

What do you mean by "typical"? The ones I consider typical will easily reach ear damaging levels

 

[KingsXJJ]

What do you mean by "typical"? The ones I consider typical will easily reach ear damaging levels

Ok, tell us what neutral speakers that reach those SPL levels are. Ear damaging is kinda a loose term. I’m talking about stage level in a reasonable venue that would take an un-mic’d half stack usually.

 

[quadgear]

I think it will be "loud enough", but you'll have to be pretty high on your outputs and volume on the FR12

IIRC it's louder when using a balanced input versus an unbalanced input (which is a pretty common tradeoff).

 

[pipelineaudio]

Ok, tell us what neutral speakers that reach those SPL levels are. Ear damaging is kinda a loose term. I’m talking about stage level in a reasonable venue that would take an un-mic’d half stack usually.

Even an Alto 10" at 127 dB SPL will get you there

 

[KingsXJJ]

Even an Alto 10" at 127 dB SPL will get you there

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Yes, agreed. $149 powered speakers are all that’s need to hit stage level volume and accurate sound reproduction.

Alto Professional TX310 350W 10-inch Powered Speaker

350W Powered Speaker with 10" LF Driver, 1" HF Driver, Balanced XLR Mic Input, and Link Output

www.sweetwater.com

 

[JiveTurkey]

Yes, agreed. $149 powered speakers are all that’s need to hit stage level and accurate sound reproduction.

I know when I started playing guitar I knew i would ultimately want to be maximizing my guitar playing enjoyment by playing through a plastic piece of dog shit.


That was harsh; I know

 

[la szum]

I know when I started playing guitar I knew i would ultimately want to be maximizing my guitar playing enjoyment by playing through a plastic piece of dog shit.


That was harsh; I know

Instead you got this.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Instead you got this.

It's made of wood!