EVH Hypersonic (version of the FR12)

[Los-D]

$30 bucks more is actually a bargain for the cool white tolex and black grillcloth IMO. That said...

Personally, I'd take the HYPERSONIC and the EVH badge off. Love Eddie and all, but again, he has absolutely fuck all to do with this product. (And even less so if it's me playing through this product.)

"The EVH 5150 is one of the least crappy models in our ToneMaster Pro, and you could conceivably run the ToneMaster Pro into this cabinet, therefore it's an EVH cabinet (that is no in way, shape, or form comparable to anything EVH himself would ever have used.)" Are we really doing this?

Looks cool awesome but it does reek of “oh, the new Tupac just dropped?”

 

[GTR37]

900$…

That’s CAD Tim
So 420 US

 

[Baba]

This product's branding is like the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game, except with Eddie.

I was actually on a tv show with Kevin Bacon once, (no joke) so for everyone here, I'm your one degree to Kevin Bacon

 

[Baba]

I missed the FR-212 announcement. I mean, the FR-12 already has a metric shit-ton of low end, I'm not sure another woofer will be a good thing, although, moar speakers always = moar better.

 

[deadpool_25]

Eh. EVH is a brand now. It's grown past being just a connection with Eddie imo.

Still, I'd still want to take all the logos off that speaker too. It would just be a cleaner look assuming they're clean removals.

 

[jay mitchell]

The speaker is stamped 150w / 8 ohm .... like all speakers it will handle short bursts above that but regular levels above that wont be good.

Most speakers labeled "150w/any impedance" won't function as published at their maximum rated power. Best case - which you shouldn't ever rely on - is that the speaker will survive 150 watts without suffering permanent damage. Worst case - far more likely - is that the speaker will blow up at less than half its rated power.

Thats why the Class D Amp is 300w @ 4ohms and 150w @ 8 ohms.

No. The amp is rated 300 watts into four ohms because that is what the manufacturer has decided to say it can do. If it can actually produce 300 watts when driving 4 ohms - which, again, you shouldn't ever rely on - there's no way to know how long it can produce that power before the power supply rail voltages sag from the current draw.

The 1000w "PR garbage" is probably just saying the Class D Amp "can" theoretically produce a micro transient up "1000w"

No. It's a number some marketing droid made up, knowing that the risk of the company ever being held liable for the fraud is actually quite low.

... how they actually measure and rate that "1000w" is any ones guess.

They don't measure it, because the amp can't deliver it. That's not a guess.

Its a 150w @ 8ohm Amp running into a 150w @ 8ohm speaker ...

Maybe, maybe not on both specifications.

but if they advertised it truthfully as it actually is, sales would be f%ck-all compared to what they probably are.

If lying about what your product does really is necessary in order for you to sell it, what does that say about your product and your company?

 

[jay mitchell]

If it’s in parallel, then it’s a 4ohm load, so full 300w. So quite a bit louder, I’d imagine.

2x power = 3dB increase in volume. Mutual coupling of two speakers = 3dB increase in sensitivity, but only at low frequencies. At low frequencies, the 2x12 will produce 6dB more SPL, and high frequencies, closer to 3dB. That's more than a just-noticeable difference, but not a dramatic increase.

 

[paisleywookiee]

2x power = 3dB increase in volume. Mutual coupling of two speakers = 3dB increase in sensitivity, but only at low frequencies. At low frequencies, the 2x12 will produce 6dB more SPL, and high frequencies, closer to 3dB. That's more than a just-noticeable difference, but not a dramatic increase.

Not worth the weight, size, or dough.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Huh? Modelers don’t have a special magical power. The Turbosounds are fine, but they sounded sterile and disconnected with modelers I’ve tried through them. Probably has a digital crossover in it.

What units do you measure "sterile" and "disconnected" in? In what way, aside from maybe latency would an analog crossover be better than a digital one? I could easily answer the inverse

 

[pipelineaudio]

No speaker is truly flat. The ones that overemphasize treble or deep bass tend to sound really bad, as well as the V shaped scooped ones. I’m thinking of the cheap PA speakers and small studio monitors.

Neither is the earth, but for our purposes we can use levels and still build houses on it

 

[paisleywookiee]

What units do you measure "sterile" and "disconnected" in? In what way, aside from maybe latency would an analog crossover be better than a digital one? I could easily answer the inverse

I’m not gonna argue with you on this. My shop sold turbo sound and it sounded worse than QSC PA’s when used with modelers in my opinion. If you don’t like that, too fucking bad it’s an opinion.
If you don’t think latency is an issue, I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

2x power = 3dB increase in volume. Mutual coupling of two speakers = 3dB increase in sensitivity, but only at low frequencies. At low frequencies, the 2x12 will produce 6dB more SPL, and high frequencies, closer to 3dB. That's more than a just-noticeable difference, but not a dramatic increase.

Yeah it's not a dramatic difference in volume, but the headroom increase makes a good difference, specially on the low end. That is important for SS amps, the increased headroom keeps them from sounding like they're "falling apart" at higher volumes.

 

[Stone]

EVH is a brand now

True, but it still should be in line with EVH gear, Like I don't think Fender should put out a EVH Telecaster or ES type guitar
Nor a Polyphonic Synth Pedal, just sayin

 

[deadpool_25]

True, but it still should be in line with EVH gear, Like I don't think Fender should put out a EVH Telecaster or ES type guitar
Nor a Polyphonic Synth Pedal, just sayin

Makes sense and I agree. I don't think the little FR speaker is too crazy though. Lots of rock and metal folks are moving to modelers and the Fender aesthetic doesn't really fit those genres. Hence me painting my FR grilles black. If the EVH ones had originally been available I'd have just gotten those.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

What drummer? What venue? What genre? Etc.

Perhaps a liability that anyone who'd prefer this styling and branding over the FR12's is more likely to be playing music (e.g. hard rock or metal) that would demand more power. Meanwhile, the two products are functionally equivalent?

As for the $879 price tag, I can't imagine it holding at that price. Once it's on shelves for a while and guitarists start to realize it doesn't actually have anything to do with EVH, it should wind up at a street price (or blowout price) more or less on par with the FR12. Sorry, I'm confused now. It's $879 CDN? So apparently already the same price as an FR12, give or take?

Yeah I play hard rock with a pretty loud drummer. I've heard conflicting reports on whether this (or the Fender equivalent) is loud enough to handle it. I'd use it mostly for my personal monitoring on stage, so I suppose it'd be fine...

 

[jay mitchell]

Yeah it's not a dramatic difference in volume, but the headroom increase makes a good difference, specially on the low end.

You can get all the headroom you need with a two-way speaker containing a 12" woofer and a compression driver/horn HF by simply providing sufficient power. You don't need a second woofer for that.

 

[Jarick]

Neither is the earth, but for our purposes we can use levels and still build houses on it

I've used a bunch of different ""FRFR"" speakers and they all sound different. I ran through half a dozen different studio monitors that were "flat" down to 60-80 Hz, had a larger PA style speaker, and now the Fender FR-12. I can say that the FR-12 definitely sounds the most like a real guitar amp and requires the least amount of tweaking to sound like a guitar amp.

Beyond my experience, if you look at the user feedback on guitar amp shaped "FRFR" speakers, people seem to really like those a lot more than PA style speakers, and very often like them more than studio monitors.

So yeah in theory they are all "flat" but in practice they operate differently.

 

[jay mitchell]

So yeah in theory they are all "flat" but in practice they operate look differently.

Fixed it.

 

[Jarick]

Yeah I play hard rock with a pretty loud drummer. I've heard conflicting reports on whether this (or the Fender equivalent) is loud enough to handle it. I'd use it mostly for my personal monitoring on stage, so I suppose it'd be fine...

I think for personal monitoring it should be fine, assuming you are pumping out enough volume on your modeler (meaning you aren't feeding a really low signal). If you're trying to directly compare against a 100 watt tube amp through a 4x12 cab, you might need a second speaker to keep up with the air movement.

 

[Jarick]

Fixed it.

Do cabinets have resonant frequencies?