Boss GX-1

[Sascha Franck]

I think most people spending less than $500 want something flexible and fun to play.

Sure. The MG-30 is just that every bit as much as the GX-1. Dedicated switches for each block, 3 footswitches, 5 encoders (instead of just 3 on the Boss), EXP pedal. Seriously, regarding functionality, it's almost the same unit (minus the option to run it from batteries and USB buspower).

 

[Sascha Franck]

Man if I’m splitting hairs on a cheap modeler device with like $20 difference

Nobody's doing that.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Nobody's doing that.

I dunnno... you kinda are...

Sure. The MG-30 is just that every bit as much as the GX-1. Dedicated switches for each block, 3 footswitches, 5 encoders (instead of just 3 on the Boss), EXP pedal. Seriously, regarding functionality, it's almost the same unit (minus the option to run it from batteries and USB buspower).

 

[Dez]

At Thomann, the NUX MG-30 is €249 whereas the GX-1 is €259.



Sure. I was just wondering because the majority round these parts is typically all up in arms in case whatever amps aren't represented properly. And in Boss units not one single amp is represented even remotely properly.
As you know, I'm not interested in authentic tones myself, but I'm kinda interested in "classic-ish" tones - and that's just nothing Boss units can do. Don't get me wrong, Boss' own creations are fine if you can deal with them - but they're defenitely not what people usually want from a modeler.

I think there’s also a “cost to what you’re getting” ratio thing here as well. If a modeler costs 1, 2k then it better deliver

 

[Sascha Franck]

I dunnno... you kinda are...

No. I only noticed the price because ian said the NUX would be 100 bucks more. Which it isn't.

The other part you quoted doesn't have anything to do with the price.

I think there’s also a “cost to what you’re getting” ratio thing here as well.

Sure. But you still get better amp modeling in the same price bracket.

 

[Whizzinby]

Man if I’m splitting hairs on a cheap modeler device with like $20 difference I’m immediately going with the brand I’ve grown up with and know

 

[ian_dissonance]

Nobody's doing that.

Great, now I’m researching the MG-30 to see how the footswitches work and then I see the parameter follow option and THEN I see it has fucking Snake on it. So it seems like I gotta get one now.

 

[Dez]

No. I only noticed the price because ian said the NUX would be 100 bucks more. Which it isn't.

The other part you quoted doesn't have anything to do with the price.



Sure. But you still get better amp modeling in the same price bracket.

Better is subjective here obviously - I get what you’re saying. Like this device isn’t for me, I have no stake in this. But if I legit thought Hotone sounded marginally better with minimal tweaking compared to a Boss unit I would still recommend the Boss unit to any beginner guitarist based on my experience with anything Boss

 

[gumtown]

Must be something new (like big new) coming soon for the flagship (GX-1000 ?)
As in the past, once the current tech filters down into the starter line up (GX-100 > GX-1) that usually signals the current line has done its dash.

 

[Sascha Franck]

But if I legit thought Hotone sounded marginally better with minimal tweaking compared to a Boss unit I would still recommend the Boss unit to any beginner guitarist based on my experience with anything Boss

I actually wouldn't. Because I do have a lot of Boss experience as well.
Now, they might've gotten the UI a *lot* better with this thing, but the same is true for all the other contenders in this league. An MG-30 is every bit as easy (or as hard, depending on how you look at it) to deal with.
Anyhow, I think most people these devices are aiming at would rather have a great Marshall (or whatever) amp tone than a Tera Echo.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Must be something new (like big new) coming soon for the flagship (GX-1000 ?)

Wouldn't their new flagship rather be a GT unit? I mean, the GX units are kinda scaled down versions of the GTs (minus the touchscreen of course - but that's possibly just because the GTs are older).
Whatever, I'm defenitely curious to see whether Boss will try to stay inside the serious modeling market at all. They defenitely need to up their amp modeling game considerably - and their UI game as well.
And in case they don't know how to do better amps, they could just come up with an integrated NAM block. A GT-1000 Core sucessor with NAM loading capabilities and updated UI would be something I'd very seriously consider.

 

[JiveTurkey]

The idea of Boss "just adding a NAMM block" is great until you re-re-realize they couldn't manage to "just add IR loading " without fucking that up

 

[Dez]

The idea of Boss "just adding a NAMM block" is great until you re-re-realize they couldn't manage to "just add IR loading " without fucking that up

I can’t express how little interest I have in NAM - I hate the IR folder dive enough that I’ve stuck with the same 3 IRs for the last year or so, all from the same York pack. I don’t want that experience with amps.

I like capturing my own amps to be able to grab in my modeler at any point - I don’t care about other folks’ captures

 

[Sascha Franck]

The idea of Boss "just adding a NAMM block" is great until you re-re-realize they couldn't manage to "just add IR loading " without fucking that up

Touché.
The block would likely be like 1/10 of the volume of their amp blocks by default without enough output volume headroom to compensate.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I can’t express how little interest I have in NAM - I hate the IR folder dive enough that I’ve stuck with the same 3 IRs for the last year or so, all from the same York pack. I don’t want that experience with amps.

I like capturing my own amps to be able to grab in my modeler at any point - I don’t care about other folks’ captures

Fwiw, I was absolutely every bit like that before I got the Tonex One.
I'd still prefer component modeling, but for the time being, given my needs, my TXO based setups are incredibly great.
Was playing my first pure fun gig (as opposed to all the stuff I need to play for money...) in quite a while two days ago, so I had enough freedom to finally put my (big) GT-1000-dual-TXO-plus-analog-dirt setup through its paces - and I can't even remotely remember the last time I enjoyed my stage sound so much.
So, it seems as if captures are in fact working great for me, at least in case I've got enough other means to sculpt my sound further.
Still would prefer component modeling regarding the basic idea, but the sound I'm getting out of my current rigs defenitely suggests I don't need it.
Sure, when I got the first TXO, it was a bit of a rabbit hole for a while - but not even remotely as deep as it's been with IRs back then. I was really concentrating on the core tones I knew I'd need and then pretty much called it a day.