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Jkist7
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Y'all want some juicy gossip? Some people are saying the new version of the plugin actually sounds worse in some ways than the old version. I tested this myself, and its hard to say for sure. I feel like I prefer the sound of the old one, but it could totally be placebo.
However, some are theorizing that this version is "dumbed down" in order to make it work on the QC. I tested CPU usage on both, and the new version of the plugin is almost 50% more efficient than the old version. Is this due to better backend code optimization, or is this because the plugin really has been dumbed down?
Hard to say for sure
However, some are theorizing that this version is "dumbed down" in order to make it work on the QC. I tested CPU usage on both, and the new version of the plugin is almost 50% more efficient than the old version. Is this due to better backend code optimization, or is this because the plugin really has been dumbed down?
Hard to say for sure
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Y'all want some juicy gossip? Some people are saying the new version of the plugin actually sounds worse in some ways than the old version. I tested this myself, and its hard to say for sure. I feel like I prefer the sound of the old one, but it could totally be placebo.
However, some are theorizing that this version is "dumbed down" in order to make it work on the QC. I tested CPU usage on both, and the new version of the plugin is almost 50% more efficient than the old version. Is this due to better backend code optimization, or is this because the plugin really has been dumbed down?
Hard to say for sure
Those of us that didn’t update today
GTR37
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That will create a crap storm for sure , if people are testing the Og plugins and comparing and the X versions start to sound worse or lower resY'all want some juicy gossip? Some people are saying the new version of the plugin actually sounds worse in some ways than the old version. I tested this myself, and its hard to say for sure. I feel like I prefer the sound of the old one, but it could totally be placebo.
However, some are theorizing that this version is "dumbed down" in order to make it work on the QC. I tested CPU usage on both, and the new version of the plugin is almost 50% more efficient than the old version. Is this due to better backend code optimization, or is this because the plugin really has been dumbed down?
Hard to say for sure
CakeEater
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Plini X actually installs as a separate application to Plini, so you can have both. I will say the new effects sound good, I'll have to side-by-side the amps.Those of us that didn’t update today
TSJMajesty
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Award-winning? Did they spell 'winning' wrong?
Mongillo19
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Y'all want some juicy gossip? Some people are saying the new version of the plugin actually sounds worse in some ways than the old version. I tested this myself, and its hard to say for sure. I feel like I prefer the sound of the old one, but it could totally be placebo.
However, some are theorizing that this version is "dumbed down" in order to make it work on the QC. I tested CPU usage on both, and the new version of the plugin is almost 50% more efficient than the old version. Is this due to better backend code optimization, or is this because the plugin really has been dumbed down?
Hard to say for sure
NightWalker
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i heard the amps on that plugin are..
amp 1 - based on Roland JC120
amp 2 - based on Friedman BE100
amp 3 - some 5150 iteration
MirrorProfiles
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I mean, these guesses are incorrect
same old “got repeated online a lot” and got turned into the truth. I did a quick video a while ago comparing amp 3 to my BE100’s HBE channel:
also comparing Plini amp 3 to Helix BE and HBE (very old video before I’d figured out better ways of doing this stuff):
Nolly amp 3=5150BL red channel, Gojira amps 2 and 3 are EVH EL34. They sound like 5150’s. None of those sound closer to Plini than my examples above.
laxu
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You could pick many of their plugins and just call it a day after buying one. I could get probably 90% of what I want out of a Soldano SLO or Archetype: Petrucci plugin.
But staying relevant in the plugin space means you need to be putting out new stuff regularly. At the same time, a lot of this space does nothing new and exciting. I don't think people are able to get that excited about artist plugins as it's no longer a novel thing. Especially when the artists attached are not huge names.
CakeEater
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Yeah, I definitely hear more Fender in the clean amp, the spongy low end and growly break up doesn't seem like Jazz Chorus to me.
MirrorProfiles
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That new octaver is REALLY good. Chorus is quite nice as well.
Not sure I like the new GUI, its still a bit small, some stuff (especially the clean amp) is smaller than it needs to be. Not sure why people were in such a hurry for this one to be ported to the QC. I don't have a QC but is there anything in Plini that you couldn't already do with the included models?
Also - they definitely aren't sounding the same to me. Not sure if its just a level or taper thing. The same presets loaded into both have very slightly different responses......so? more testing required
Not sure I like the new GUI, its still a bit small, some stuff (especially the clean amp) is smaller than it needs to be. Not sure why people were in such a hurry for this one to be ported to the QC. I don't have a QC but is there anything in Plini that you couldn't already do with the included models?
Also - they definitely aren't sounding the same to me. Not sure if its just a level or taper thing. The same presets loaded into both have very slightly different responses......so? more testing required
CakeEater
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Yeah I'm really interested about this. I might try a null test over the weekend. Do you think it sounds worse? My impression was all the newer plugins are using the ATI algorithm that Plini was ported to.
MirrorProfiles
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I couldn’t say better or worse yet…. I think it would be subjective anyway. I would say, it fixes a problem that didn’t exist for me - I was happy with how it sounded and wasn’t looking for any updates there.
Im guessing how NDSP capture amps has changed and evolved in the 5 years since this was released and it’s possible that they’ve improved their approach in some way. I’m guessing it was more about unifying their approach so it’s more consistent across the board, but WHO KNOWS?
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I suspect it’s about getting the plugin models to run on the hardware with a low enough latency. Their first modification way back when resulted in higher latency compared to the initial released version. Of course that information has been disappeared from their Forum.
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Lysander
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Interesting. I though most of his early work was recorded primarily on Helix / Pod Farm.
Los-D
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Check out the 15:00 minute mark (and again at about the 45:00 min mark):
I think he used LePou Legion on (some? all?) first EPs, Helix Native on Sunhead (the EP after Handmade Cities), and all NDSP since. Fractal when playing live for the longest time (QC now I would guess?).
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