Anybody else getting sick of modellers?

[la szum]

I distinctly remember my first time in a professional studio in the late 1980s. 89-ish.

Anywho, we were going to track live all in the same room, and I was going to use
my actual amp (Randall RG100ES and 4 x 12). Our drummer was getting red light
syndrome (and actually wasn't on the final release ). We were burning time, and
money, so we pivoted and ended up having another drummer track the drums, and
then we all went and played to the drums while monitoring in the control room.

I struggled. It was different. REALLY different. I kind of hated it.

It wasn't wrong, though. It wasn't less than what I was doing. It was just different,
and the fact that it was different got into my head big time. I had never heard
guitar tones with direct monitoring in a control room before.

I am sure I could have gotten my head all up my ass about it, but it was more
important to get my parts recorded and those songs on tape.

To this day I know guitarists who get in their head in less than a tenth of a second
if there sound is not right. I feel a much more valuable skill is to get out of our own
way and make the best of whatever situation presents itself.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Kind of what I did what I did with some of the more recent IRs I've made of my own cabs. Measurement mic placed at my choice spot, IR shot, and A/B'ed with the source while the IR was EQed to match.

What do you use to create IRs?


I'd be curious to experiment with this. The sound of my mic'ed cab sounds way better to me than any IR's I've tried



Of course, maybe its because I use a captor, and lately around here I've been getting told those suck (news to me) and that's my problem

I'd be interested to give the suhr RL a shot, but after a certain point how much money/effort/uphill battle do I need trying to emulate a sound I already have, love, and have no issues with

 

[sashimi]

That looks like more fun than this thread is.

Ape in the room, eating cake

 

[jay mitchell]

Between guitar speakers, are there differences between how quick certain frequency ranges are thrown out?

Asked and answered. See above. There are audible differences in transient behavior among different guitar transducers and cabs. For example, some frequencies may decay more slowly than others, and this difference may not be immediately apparent if you only look at the magnitude response of the IR. Narrowband phenomena caused by resonances will have longer attack and decay times compared to other frequencies.

 

[Alex Kenivel]

What do you use to create IRs?

Reaper (contamination suit on), audio interface, and a microphone.

In a nutshell I run noise through an output of my interface into a power amp connected to the cab, record that sound with the microphone, render the cab sound with the noise, deconvolve (remove the noise from the recorded cab), and save as an IR.

Reaper comes with a convolution plug-in called ReaVerb that contains all of the tools needed to create IRs.

For what I was mentioning, I take it a step further and use multiple instances of Fabfilter Pro Q3 to help sculpt the response from the full range playback system I intend to use. I'll use a few instances for singling out specific bandwidths of the frequency responses of each source, and A/B using both my ears and an Extech decibel meter to equalize the area in question with more instances of Pro Q3. I do this through the entire spectrum of sound until I'm happy with the results. It takes a long time and I drive myself a little crazy with the details.

Of course my room response influences the sound but the first wave of doing this turned out really well when using the IRs with different playback systems in different rooms.

 

[timbuck3]

 

[fiftyshadesofslay]

If anything’s going to change my mind, it’ll definitely be a video of some guy flogging John Mayer presets.

 

[Sascha Franck]

If anything’s going to change my mind, it’ll definitely be a video of some guy flogging John Mayer presets.

Let alone that guy has the worst sense of time I've heard in quite a while. It's making me seasick to listen to just a single bar.