Updated with Clips: Why is everyone so down on using lots of amp models at gigs?

[Gearzilla]

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Did you overlook the “IME”? Do I really have to add YMMV?

You can dial in at home or in your practice place all you want but from gig to gig the rooms change let alone depending how full the room is…. IMHO you are causing a lot more unnecessary variables for your live sound by changing to a lot different amps and cabs when you can easily cover a ton of ground with just couple of presets that don’t radically change.

My guess to why your are consistently hired as you say you are has zero to with you aping guitar tones from the bands you are covering that you think you’ve dialed in and has EVERYTHING to do with you being a good player and a good dependable hang… with later probably being the biggest reason.

I would assume you've been around here long enough to know metro ain't doing cover band gigs, but works in professional theatre pits with sound folks that know a lot more than the average bar band gig, and where the hang is a whole let less important than being a highly skilled musician? IME. YMMV.

 

[ejecta]

I would assume you've been around here long enough to know metro ain't doing cover band gigs, but works in professional theatre pits with sound folks that know a lot more than the average bar band gig, and where the hang is a whole let less important than being a highly skilled musician? IME. YMMV.

So he’s playing much more sound controlled environments such as theaters with more than likely pro sound men vs a club. That’s cool and helps yes but most of the common average weekend worrier types isn’t doing that really.

I still say no matter the situation trying to use a bunch of different amps and cabs that radically change in the average gig is just silly and causes more headaches.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

So he’s playing much more sound controlled environments such as theaters with more than likely pro sound men vs a club. That’s cool and helps yes but the average Joe isn’t doing that really.

I still say no matter the situation trying to use a bunch of different amps and cabs that radically change in the average gig is just silly and causes more headaches.

So, not to devolve this thread into fighting, and meant in a friendly/helpful way, but when you hold an opinion that you apply to a whole bunch of folks that you don't know/have never met, you are no longer talking "IME". You are making assumptions based on your experience, and it's probably going to ruffle feathers.

The above paragraph is of course just my opinion. But I can put whatever disclaimers I want around it - it is my opinion about you and your previous post. And so in posting it, despite having prefaced it with a disclaimer about it meaning to be helpful, you very well might take it personally. I know and accept that.

I frequently make posts in broad, sweeping generic terms. To try to make it clearer that those posts just come from a places of me being a fairly jaded asshole, rather than a raging asshole that goes around telling specific people they suck, I do my best to not use "you" when I'm posting about my general assumption of what is going to happen based on my past experience. Make sense?

 

[TSJMajesty]

So, not to devolve this thread into fighting, and meant in a friendly/helpful way, but when you hold an opinion that you apply to a whole bunch of folks that you don't know/have never met, you are no longer talking "IME". You are making assumptions based on your experience, and it's probably going to ruffle feathers.

The above paragraph is of course just my opinion. But I can put whatever disclaimers I want around it - it is my opinion about you and your previous post. And so in posting it, despite having prefaced it with a disclaimer about it meaning to be helpful, you very well might take it personally. I know and accept that.

I frequently make posts in broad, sweeping generic terms. To try to make it clearer that those posts just come from a places of me being a fairly jaded a*****e, rather than a raging a*****e that goes around telling specific people they suck, I do my best to not use "you" when I'm posting about my general assumption of what is going to happen based on my past experience. Make sense?

I try to remember to provide a little context with any recommendations or opinions. I may not always do that, but one thing I realize is it's hard to remember who's who on boards, and what things they do, have, use, etc.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Did you overlook the “IME”? Do I really have to add YMMV?

You can dial in at home or in your practice place all you want but from gig to gig the rooms change let alone depending how full the room is…. IMHO you are causing a lot more unnecessary variables for your live sound by changing to a lot different amps and cabs when you can easily cover a ton of ground with just couple of presets that don’t radically change.

My guess to why your are consistently hired as you say you are has very little to with you aping guitar tones from the bands you are covering and has EVERYTHING to do with you being a good player and a good dependable hang… with later probably being the biggest reason.

To give more clearer context, I think I get thw second paragraph above as being "IME, I've never worked with someone that can dial in all these specific tones at home and not be a nightmare for a soundman. I know I can't do that.". But in using "you" in reply to metro, I don't know how it can be read as anything other than your opinion about what metri can/can't dial in. His mileage can't vary, because you used "you" - by doing so the post expreslly states why you think his mileage is.

 

[ejecta]

So, not to devolve this thread into fighting, and meant in a friendly/helpful way, but when you hold an opinion that you apply to a whole bunch of folks that you don't know/have never met, you are no longer talking "IME". You are making assumptions based on your experience, and it's probably going to ruffle feathers.

The above paragraph is of course just my opinion. But I can put whatever disclaimers I want around it - it is my opinion about you and your previous post. And so in posting it, despite having prefaced it with a disclaimer about it meaning to be helpful, you very well might take it personally. I know and accept that.

I frequently make posts in broad, sweeping generic terms. To try to make it clearer that those posts just come from a places of me being a fairly jaded a*****e, rather than a raging a*****e that goes around telling specific people they suck, I do my best to not use "you" when I'm posting about my general assumption of what is going to happen based on my past experience. Make sense?

If I ruffle people’s feathers that’s on them not me. Sorry I speak the way I do and have the experience I do. A vast majority of stuff in here is subjective and why others get upset over my points of view then it is what is.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Did you overlook the “IME”? Do I really have to add YMMV?

You can dial in at home or in your practice place all you want but from gig to gig the rooms change let alone depending how full the room is…. IMHO

You say it's on them if they take what you say personally. In my experience, people that truly think "it's on them if they take it the wrong way" don't reply this aggressively when someone takes what they say the wrong way...

 

[Alex Kenivel]

What I genuinely don't get is folks looking for the single most versatile digital amp model (see other thread). "I've get this modeler that can nail the sound of 75 different amps, so, what I do is, pick only one of those models and try to force it to sound close to as many of those 75 amps as I can"

Some folks use a smaller device where one amp model is all you get in a preset

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Some folks use a smaller device where one amp model is all you get in a preset

Zen and the Art of One Preset

 

[metropolis_4]

Did you overlook the “IME”? Do I really have to add YMMV?

You can dial in at home or in your practice place all you want but from gig to gig the rooms change let alone depending how full the room is…. IMHO you are causing a lot more unnecessary variables for your live sound by changing to a lot different amps and cabs when you can easily cover a ton of ground with just couple of presets that don’t radically change.

My guess to why your are consistently hired as you say you are has very little to with you aping guitar tones from the bands you are covering and has EVERYTHING to do with you being a good player and a good dependable hang… with later probably being the biggest reason.

I actually just talked to an MD last week who told me he really appreciated the effort I took to get the right sounds for a show and wanted to hire me for a run of shows through spring.

And the last show I played for him I used 6 different amp models

 

[Alex Kenivel]

Zen and the Art of One Preset

One preset life!

One preset for Vox, one preset for Marshall, one preset for Mesa, etc.

 

[ejecta]

You say it's on them if they take what you say personally. In my experience, people that truly think "it's on them if they take it the wrong way" don't reply this aggressively when someone takes what they say the wrong way...

You seem to be a bit fixated on me and how I respond. Texting and posting is such a base way communicate where there is no tone of voice or facial expressions etc. So appreciate the "education" but what I said is true no matter how you take it. I have very little control of how people read what I post which the vast majority of the time subjective. If people get upset at my opinions then well... I guess it is what it is.

 

[Gearzilla]

You seem to be a bit fixated on me and how I respond. Like I said I have no control over how people take me using a base form of contamination so yes how they take me in large part is on them unless I get into obvious name calling etc. Texting and posting is such a base way communicate where there is no tone of voice or facial expressions etc. So appreciate the "education" but what I said is true no matter how you take it. I have very little control of how people read what I post which the vast majority of the time subjective.

You own the communication. It’s up to you to clarify things if you’re being misunderstood by someone.

 

[ejecta]

I actually just talked to an MD last week who told me he really appreciated the effort I took to get the right sounds for a show and wanted to hire me for a run of shows through spring.

And the last show I played for him I used 6 different amp models

Good for you and him. Glad you both have a great working relationship and consistent sounding venue. Again IME that's not the norm.

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[ejecta]

You own the communication. It’s up to you to clarify things if you’re being misunderstood by someone.

Yes I typed and own the words...obviously... but that doesn't mean I own the other person's understanding. That's ridiculous and so obvious I shouldn't need to offer clarification. But for shits and grins could you show me where I have refused to clarify.

 

[Gearzilla]

If I ruffle people’s feathers that’s on them not me. Sorry I speak the way I do and have the experience I do. A vast majority of stuff in here is subjective and why others get upset over my points of view then it is what is.

 

[ejecta]

Care to clarify?

 

[Gearzilla]

Care to clarify?

Sure. What does it mean to you?

 

[Bruce]

the approach of trying to craft a patch to match each song in a set I find peculiar. When you go see a band like Metallica or Def Leppard and they have catalogs spanning 40 years, they’re still only using one or two sounds all night and applying it to their whole set list. I dont expect to hear songs from ride the lightning sound like they were recorded. It’s live. I’d also bet you’d find appreciation for all that work few and far in between. Get a good sound, get a good fx chain and play. People will care far more about the performance than the sounds.