Tylers , a couple in for work.

[Eagle]

On the Tyler’s ;
As nice as they are I’m not sure you can justify £8k each. I think £5k would be more in line.

 

[State of Epicicity]

On the Tyler’s ;
As nice as they are I’m not sure you can justify £8k each. I think £5k would be more in line.

Guitar prices in general make no sense to me anymore.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

I do not doubt that for a second.

Well, I got over it 3 decades ago when I started to believe Tyler’s have more ass because of it.
Hell, it makes other super strats sound like the top of a guitar (no sides, or back).

 

[HomespunEffects]

On the Tyler’s ;
As nice as they are I’m not sure you can justify £8k each. I think £5k would be more in line.

I was just coming in here to ask about that. Is it really a $7k+ guitar? I can’t imagine what differentiates a $7k guitar from a $3k guitar.

I am looking to get a really good guitar soon but where’s the sweet spot?

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

On the Tyler’s ;
As nice as they are I’m not sure you can justify £8k each. I think £5k would be more in line.

I think prices overall have just gotten nuts.
Years ago I’d say about 20 years back.
A friend of mine started repping D’Pergo guitars.
That’s the ones that started with the reclaimed river wood stuff.
He got one for himself and they were like 2500 dealer cost when that was way above average.

I became friendly with the builder in which time the price sky rocketed to 15k and the low end line at like 4500.
He sent me one of each to check out and the one for 4500killed and I’d bought one of those for half in a heartbeat.
The expensive one had issue I wouldn’t have accepted on the lower priced one like frets not flush with the board in the middle.

Side note he and Suhr had epic flame wars on TOP.

As for Tyler I cannot get used to rear routed Strats.
Love what the two you had in look like otherwise.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

I was just coming in here to ask about that. Is it really a $7k+ guitar? I can’t imagine what differentiates a $7k guitar from a $3k guitar.

I am looking to get a really good guitar soon but where’s the sweet spot?

Well to me especially now with the Chinese line it’s like Scion…Toyotas…Lexus
JTG…Tyler Japan…Tyler
Or not so closely related VW…Audi…Porsche

 

[HomespunEffects]

Well to me especially now with the Chinese line it’s like Scion…Toyotas…Lexus
JTG…Tyler Japan…Tyler
Or not so closely related VW…Audi…Porsche

I’m not really a car guy. I’m not sure I understand the references.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

I’m not really a car guy. I’m not sure I understand the references.

Different tiers…prices.
That said for 3500 you can get a Japanese Tyler or 2 Chinese ones. :-)

My US one that I got 20 years ago would have been 3600 then and now the same specs are 7300 in the US, Or 9300 in Germany

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

And begin inflation calculator logic sets in…that be 5700 in todays money

Then again nearly everything doubled. Jeff Beck and SRV Strat I bought for 1300 bucks new in the early 90s
Now look where they at.

 

[State of Epicicity]

So Tylers have a substantially thicker tone than other superstrats?

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

So Tylers have a substantially thicker tone than other superstrats?

In my world yes. Only guitars I ever had use for pickups in parallel. And for that you gotta start with phat

 

[2112]

I got to tour the Tyler Factory when I was in the states recently - very nicely laid out wood shop, heaps of cool jigs, awesome paint rooms and some very cool history lurking in the corners of the offices. Very detail oriented operation. Rich is an absolute riot too, great dude.

Funnily enough I happened to have toured the Deviser factory in Japan where they make the Japanese Tylers - those are great axes too. Keen to try the new Chinese ones and see what they deliver at the money...especially considering a studio elite retails for around $16k AUD here

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

I got to tour the Tyler Factory when I was in the states recently - very nicely laid out wood shop, heaps of cool jigs, awesome paint rooms and some very cool history lurking in the corners of the offices. Very detail oriented operation. Rich is an absolute riot too, great dude.

Funnily enough I happened to have toured the Deviser factory in Japan where they make the Japanese Tylers - those are great axes too. Keen to try the new Chinese ones and see what they deliver at the money...especially considering a studio elite retails for around $16k AUD here

Side note Rich is also a killing audio engineer.

 

[Eagle]

So Tylers have a substantially thicker tone than other superstrats?

Yes imo too . They are consistently fat sounding acoustically and plugged in.,

 

[Eagle]

One question for Rick is ;
What planet requires 8 screws on the control plate??

 

[State of Epicicity]

Do you guys know what factors actually make Tylers sound fat? Is it the wood selection, something in the construction? This is so elusive of a quality to analyze.

 

[Eagle]

Do you guys know what factors actually make Tylers sound fat? Is it the wood selection, something in the construction? This is so elusive of a quality to analyze.

It’s mostly the wood selection in terms of weight and a really good overview of selected materials in terms of A+B=fat . If you only use the absolute top quarter sawn maple it will be pretty predictable and the same goes for body woods. He only uses four bridges and again all very good. Pickups is easy when the guitar actually works properly.
Experience is the main answer but working within a narrow framework.

 

[Eagle]

Oh one little detail not talked about is the addition of some aluminium tubes to stabilise the fender style neck joint;

They only extend in to the neck and body the same amount.

 

[Eagle]

Well to me especially now with the Chinese line it’s like Scion…Toyotas…Lexus
JTG…Tyler Japan…Tyler
Or not so closely related VW…Audi…Porsche

You missed out Skoda
The main thing is if these are a Yeti or a Superb.

 

[Eagle]

The main problem with trying to produce a budget version of a high end guitar is the fact that a high end guitar is mainly that because of the time spent in addition to what is needed to produce it. Extra materials cost can also rack up but on a painted alder Strat that’s not going to make 5x the price.
Rasmus guitars failed because the Chinese producer was only doing the simple part of the process that took the least skilled builders and subsequently a small percentage of the labour cost. By the time they shipped it to the USA to be plek dressed and finished it was a cheap guitar that cost most of the same in labour. A fail on paper before you start really. In order to get cost down you either need a factory that can do it all overseas or do less .