TwoNotes GENOME!!!

Trying out the Badlander now, it has a really nice tactile / transient feel to it without a boost at all hitting it. Using just my guitar into the Hi-Z input on my interface (19 dBU).
I notice this model, the "Rockrider", has a "TSM-AI" badge on it... maybe hints that it's somewhat along the lines of the NAM parametric model Steve Ack put out as a proof of concept a while back.

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I haven't tried the real amp yet but I plan to in the near future. Wish Two-Notes would come out with their input level calibration numbers already.
 
Nope - been asked for and suggested numerous times and TN have repeatedly said will never happen due to the Opus hardware design.

Ben
Considering they added a few new amps recently I’m thinking there may be limits to the number of amps it can hold but the means to add something is already proven.
That in mind it seems it would serve both, owners and TwoNotes well, to make it so an owner could decide which amps fill the slots available.
The first ten or so come with the purchase and you can buy more to have in your library….swap them out as you please via the software interface. After all, the more Genome shines with options the more attractive Opus becomes if in some ways it too is seen to be packed with growing inventory of goodness…
 
Considering they added a few new amps recently I’m thinking there may be limits to the number of amps it can hold but the means to add something is already proven.
That in mind it seems it would serve both, owners and TwoNotes well, to make it so an owner could decide which amps fill the slots available.
The first ten or so come with the purchase and you can buy more to have in your library….swap them out as you please via the software interface. After all, the more Genome shines with options the more attractive Opus becomes if in some ways it too is seen to be packed with goodness…

I've put that exact same question and scenario and option to Ross at TOP a couple of times and each time the answer, in short was .... absolutely never.

Ben
 
Hi Dom, yes Genome works with other captures frequencies and you are correct on oversampling, the neural network models (NAM, AIDA, Proteus) have to run at the own frequency and cannot be oversampled without altering their response.

Regarding oversampling and when you should use it: some blocks which can generate distortion will create aliasing. Distortion/overdrive pedals, amp sims but also compressors can generate aliasing. You may or may not hear the aliasing and you even may not find it to be a problem, but many people do want an option to get rid of it. It's s subtle effect.

My recommendation: if you are very sensitive to latency, favor latency over removing the aliasing. And use the high levels oversampling values for rendering.

Dean, Some DAWs like Reaper can actually take care of the oversampling and send for example a 768KHz signal instead of the project's 48 (oversampling x16). This would be equivalent to Genome at max OS, try that with Helix using only TSM in Genome (which would be closer to Helix amp sim in terms of modeling) and l will be interested in your results.

Sascha Frank, regarding CPU: you cannot really compare the CPU needed for electronic approximation amp modeling and neural network modeling. If you are aiming at the best audio quality, standard profiles in NAM are incredibly CPU hungry, it's not because of a bad implementation, it's just how the technology is at this point. If you look at the newest hardware units able to do a decent neural network modeling, they pack an incredible amount of power compared to say a Helix or a Kemper.

Look at the TSM amps for example, they only need a fraction of the CPU needed for NAM. Our new TSM-AI format also asks for quite a bit of CPU, since neural networks are used. But you can try several quality options in the TSM-AI (or use lighter captures in NAM called nano or feather) and instantly save on CPU.

Regarding Genome load up times on first launch I 100% agree with you guys and be assured that it's a priority for us to fix this.
I was looking at the newer TSM-AI models and they sound pretty good. Are you able to tell us a little bit more on how these are built (of course, without disclosing anything proprietary)?

Is it neural-net based for the preamp and component modelling for the poweramp? Are these models a faithful representation of the poweramp stage of the amps they're based on? Some of the interaction in the power section between tubes, OT in combination with the B+ etc make a huge difference.

Also, any chance we could get some input on what input levels Genome and/or the TSM-AI amps are calibrated for?

@MirrorProfiles poured a lot of effort into contacting several amp sim builders & putting together this list (which you may or may not have seen already):



Thanks for reading! :D
 
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Hi All,

Thanks for getting in touch - similarly, thanks for all your feedback here. Rest assured it has been sent to our development team for consideration / review!

Regarding Capture Management, that is most definitely something we are working on so please stay tuned for updates relating to this.

In respect of the Mono -> Mono variant, this has been a common feature request, and has been relayed to the team. As soon as we have updates on this, we will certainly let you all know!

Regarding TSM-Ai, this actually uses some proprietary technology we have been working on for a long time. The amps fuse Ai captures and a number of modelling tools that we match to the target amplifier. Interestingly, the reason the amp is purple is we have a custom variant in our office in Two notes purple!

In response to loading these Amps in OPUS, If you are referring to HEKTOR, RockRider, INDY, NIFTY65 and MOLLY, these amps are unable to run in the OPUS platform due to DSP limitations in our hardware. Similarly - and on a related note - NAM captures are very CPU intensive and as such will not be able to run on the internal processor of OPUS. However we have a string of updates for OPUS on the horizon so stay tuned for more news!

In terms of the input level at which we configure our amplifiers, we are actually working on exact figures at the moment. We will be releasing this when all testing is complete on our side!

If you have any other questions, we are here to help!
 
Hi All,

Thanks for getting in touch - similarly, thanks for all your feedback here. Rest assured it has been sent to our development team for consideration / review!

Regarding Capture Management, that is most definitely something we are working on so please stay tuned for updates relating to this.

In respect of the Mono -> Mono variant, this has been a common feature request, and has been relayed to the team. As soon as we have updates on this, we will certainly let you all know!

Regarding TSM-Ai, this actually uses some proprietary technology we have been working on for a long time. The amps fuse Ai captures and a number of modelling tools that we match to the target amplifier. Interestingly, the reason the amp is purple is we have a custom variant in our office in Two notes purple!

In response to loading these Amps in OPUS, If you are referring to HEKTOR, RockRider, INDY, NIFTY65 and MOLLY, these amps are unable to run in the OPUS platform due to DSP limitations in our hardware. Similarly - and on a related note - NAM captures are very CPU intensive and as such will not be able to run on the internal processor of OPUS. However we have a string of updates for OPUS on the horizon so stay tuned for more news!

In terms of the input level at which we configure our amplifiers, we are actually working on exact figures at the moment. We will be releasing this when all testing is complete on our side!

If you have any other questions, we are here to help!
Thank you Amy.

With respect to the TSM-Ai amps then, can we assume their poweramp section replicates (as faithful as currently possible obviously given your current tech) the real amp's power section instead of just being a slightly tweaked flavor of the separate power-amp block you can drag&drop on the Genome signal lane?
 
With this release I can finally say Two Notes is in the Amp modeling race or capturing race, any ways, the way the Bogner XTC amp feels under the fingers is amazing, the new tech they are implementing in the right one for the future of Two Notes amp modeling. Well done.
 
Trying out the Badlander now, it has a really nice tactile / transient feel to it without a boost at all hitting it. Using just my guitar into the Hi-Z input on my interface (19 dBU).
I notice this model, the "Rockrider", has a "TSM-AI" badge on it... maybe hints that it's somewhat along the lines of the NAM parametric model Steve Ack put out as a proof of concept a while back.

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I haven't tried the real amp yet but I plan to in the near future. Wish Two-Notes would come out with their input level calibration numbers already.
A modern/vintage switch on a Badlander but no Bold/Variac? Interesting.
 
Hi All,

Thanks for getting in touch - similarly, thanks for all your feedback here. Rest assured it has been sent to our development team for consideration / review!

Regarding Capture Management, that is most definitely something we are working on so please stay tuned for updates relating to this.

In respect of the Mono -> Mono variant, this has been a common feature request, and has been relayed to the team. As soon as we have updates on this, we will certainly let you all know!

Regarding TSM-Ai, this actually uses some proprietary technology we have been working on for a long time. The amps fuse Ai captures and a number of modelling tools that we match to the target amplifier. Interestingly, the reason the amp is purple is we have a custom variant in our office in Two notes purple!

In response to loading these Amps in OPUS, If you are referring to HEKTOR, RockRider, INDY, NIFTY65 and MOLLY, these amps are unable to run in the OPUS platform due to DSP limitations in our hardware. Similarly - and on a related note - NAM captures are very CPU intensive and as such will not be able to run on the internal processor of OPUS. However we have a string of updates for OPUS on the horizon so stay tuned for more news!

In terms of the input level at which we configure our amplifiers, we are actually working on exact figures at the moment. We will be releasing this when all testing is complete on our side!

If you have any other questions, we are here to help!
Hi Amy ,

Without giving away too much about future plans
Do you think there will be a new hardware unit that can run these more intensive algorithms like rock rider Molly etc
 
I think that's what those are really (but they can't use those terms exactly like Mesa). Vintage = Variac, Modern = Bold.
It’s confusing Mesa’s terminology though. The Rectifiers have a Raw/Vintage/Modern switch on their high gain channels and a bold/spongy switch on the back. The Badlander instead has Clean/Crunch/Crush on both channels, no vintage/modern, and has a Bold/Variac in place of the Bold/Spongy from the rectos.

So I get you, but it’s parsing terms a little and is an interesting choice.
 
Thank you Amy.

With respect to the TSM-Ai amps then, can we assume their poweramp section replicates (as faithful as currently possible obviously given your current tech) the real amp's power section instead of just being a slightly tweaked flavor of the separate power-amp block you can drag&drop on the Genome signal lane?

Hi @2dor

Ross from Two notes here. You are indeed correct - although the basis for this starts with our current poweramp modelling technology. Let me know if you have any other questions concerning this!
 
Hi Amy ,

Without giving away too much about future plans
Do you think there will be a new hardware unit that can run these more intensive algorithms like rock rider Molly etc

Ross from Two notes here. Great question!

As much as we would love to talk to you about future hardware developments, unfortunately at this stage we are unable to. However, I can confirm that our current priority is building out the core feature spec in GENOME itself, inclusive of a standalone variant and the pitch based processing multiple users have requested. If you need any other info, please let me know!
 
So, we get updates and even more (paid) amp models, but the question about technically-correct input leveling keeps being dodged and thus remains untouched...?

Bummer, because it should be simple to answer and would improve sound quality for all users, meaning more satisfied players and better reviews.

There's nothing to lose here.

Do it.
 
So, we get updates and even more (paid) amp models, but the question about technically-correct input leveling keeps being dodged and thus remains untouched...?

Bummer, because it should be simple to answer and would improve sound quality for all users, meaning more satisfied players and better reviews.

There's nothing to lose here.

Do it.
With all do respect, I gave up long time ago this fixation with input leveling! If you own real amps, and a bunch of guitars we deal with input leveling all the time!!! its called, different pickups!! How do we solve low input pickups, by either turning up the gain or using a boosting pedal.

Use your ears not your eyes when dealing with inputs in digital amp simulator or captures. Trust your ears!
 
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