TwoNotes GENOME!!!

[eggpl@nt]

The hi-gain tones are not very good compared to many other programs I have. You have to crank the input in Genome on my system get any semblance of the real hi-gain sounds that the amps actually produce, then they're ok. They match well with the pedals to produce higher gain. I won't go into which programs I like more, etc, but yea, you're not crazy

Ok yeah, this is more or less what I’ve found, and even when I’ve cranked the input gain, it feels kinda flubby and hollow. I’ll keep dabbling, but I was bummed with the high gain tones after going into this with all pretty positive reviews in mind.

 

[ericbr1]

Ok yeah, this is more or less what I’ve found, and even when I’ve cranked the input gain, it feels kinda flubby and hollow. I’ll keep dabbling, but I was bummed with the high gain tones after going into this with all pretty positive reviews in mind.

I have to assume, they'll improve on them. I've found with anything I have to come up with own opinions on what works for me. If this as is works for loads of others, that's great, or if they change/improve the amp tones that's better for me . . I like the Splawn Codex model fine, and it matches well with the Bluesbreaker and/or Klon pedals for sure. . It's a beautiful program and easy to use though that's for sure, and is the 1st release

 

[AmyTwonotes]

Ever since installing Genome, Cubase is presenting me with the infamous "too many tracks" error message, and I can't record anything.

My SSD drive is young and healthy, and the Genome VST is the only thing that changed within my machine during the last couple months, and have been recording stuff up until now, worked just fine.

I'll try and figure out if there's a connection between that and the error message. Not sure what can be done yet...

Win 8.1
Focusrite Scarlett 2i4
Cubase AI5

Hi @dronerstone,

Sorry to hear you're having problems here. Please can we ask you to submit a ticket on our Helpdesk and a one of our specialists can have a look in to this - https://helpdesk.two-notes.com/

 

[dronerstone]

Hi @dronerstone,

Sorry to hear you're having problems here. Please can we ask you to submit a ticket on our Helpdesk and a one of our specialists can have a look in to this - https://helpdesk.two-notes.com/

@AmyTwonotes Thanks, much appreciated!

Seems like I might've solved it, though.

1) uninstalled Genome
2) installed the Focusrite ASIO driver (to overwrite the existing installation)
3) reinstalled Genome (version 1.0.3)

As of now, looks like everything is back to normal.

 

[eggpl@nt]

I have to assume, they'll improve on them. I've found with anything I have to come up with own opinions on what works for me. If this as is works for loads of others, that's great, or if they change/improve the amp tones that's better for me . . I like the Splawn Codex model fine, and it matches well with the Bluesbreaker and/or Klon pedals for sure. . It's a beautiful program and easy to use though that's for sure, and is the 1st release

I haven't dabbled with the preloaded Codex stuff. I'll have to try that. I did load some NAM profiles I know I like, and even those sounded wonky, though I believe you have to change a certain setting or two to get NAM profiles to play nicely in the Codex block.

I'm not giving up on this yet, and I really like seeing what Two Notes is putting into this. It's just not it yet, for me.

 

[nicolasrivera]

I haven't dabbled with the preloaded Codex stuff. I'll have to try that. I did load some NAM profiles I know I like, and even those sounded wonky, though I believe you have to change a certain setting or two to get NAM profiles to play nicely in the Codex block.

I'm not giving up on this yet, and I really like seeing what Two Notes is putting into this. It's just not it yet, for me.

I didn’t experience that I loaded the JP2C Nam captures from Jacob and they sounded identical or even better than in the native player

 

[dean701]

I haven't dabbled with the preloaded Codex stuff. I'll have to try that. I did load some NAM profiles I know I like, and even those sounded wonky, though I believe you have to change a certain setting or two to get NAM profiles to play nicely in the Codex block.

I'm not giving up on this yet, and I really like seeing what Two Notes is putting into this. It's just not it yet, for me.

As noted earlier by MirrorProfiles, with all effects disabled including the EQ and set at neutral, the sounds should be virtually identical to NAM. The EQ even at flat settings does introduce some changes.

 

[eggpl@nt]

As noted earlier by MirrorProfiles, with all effects disabled including the EQ and set at neutral, the sounds should be virtually identical to NAM. The EQ even at flat settings does introduce some changes.

I was also referring to this from Two Notes at TOP. Couldn’t remember the exact setting, but here it is:

Hi Guys, Ross from Two notes here. If you are seeking a bit-perfect rendition of NAM please disable oversampling in GENOME's Global Pane situated at the top of the main GUI and set your DAW project's sample rate to 48kHz. In addition, you will be happy to hear that we are currently working in a number of additional enhancements for those NAM users seeking a like-for-like rendition with minimal parameter disabling within the CODEX component. Please let me know if you have any other questions concerning this - I am always happy to help and welcome any additional feedback we can send to our development team.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

That's great logic re: the "Lone Star' :) It seems to be either an Ampeg Gemini, or BF Bassman to me but neither really makes sense, so maybe Lone Star, but it doesn't sound like either . I definitely know flatback= mesa and Peggy = Ampeg. . Good call on the Ashdown :)

I’d say it’s a Twin

 

[BenIfin]

I *thought* the Aviator was a Hi-Watt (?)

Ben

 

[ericbr1]

I *thought* the Aviator was a Hi-Watt (?)

Ben

They describe it as a Bass preamp, so I have to think either the Ashdown mentioned above would be right, or come to think of it I still have the Alembic Preamp!

 

[djabthrash]

I've played around with Genome, but I've not been loving it. The high gain tones haven't been hitting for me. Anyone else feeling that way, or am I crazy?

@eggpl@nt : my 2 cents on high gain tones and Genome, and links to 2 good videos about it :

"Fantastic video and great tones here.

I'm used to the Two Notes stuff already (early Torpedo VB 101, Torpedo CAB and Torpedo WOS adopter here) and had been toying with the beta version of Genome.

I've been spending a lot of time on Genome since the public release and here is what i thin so far for high gain riffage:

- some things are definitely not immediate and there is a learning curve
- the 5150 is a bit weird, like quite undergained and sounds like a metalzone when gain is dimed.
For mid gain stuff it's ok but for high gain it's not.
However you can get it to sound killer with some stuff in front (EQ, TS boost, volume boost, etc).

- The Marshall is the same ... No highgain even with gain dimed, but can get killer results by adding stuff in front.

- The Orange sounded really cool with stuff in front as well.

- I loooved the Recto and the Mark V sims, and the Soldano is very cool too (but it benefits from stuff in front to clean out the mud a bit).

- the Codex profiles stuff takes some getting used to, because you need to know how the codex stuff (tonestack, post eq, input, etc) works to make the most out of these profiles.
At first, i found that most profiles sounded very boomy and muddy. With some tweaks i got them to sound killer and there are so may great NAM profiles on tonehunt !

I've been spending hours reamping old Ola Englund / Feared guitar DIs and tweaking tones and listening to guitar tracks together, in solo panned center, to the side, etc. Quite the rabbithole. Switching DyinIRs or regular IRs with killer chains is awesome too.

- Using various EQs before and after the amp, and also after the cabsim is great, but i also agree that the Exciters are very good tools too (even in front of the amp). "

VIDEOS about the subject :

1) Two Notes GENOME amp plugin - can it do metal ? (paul bradshaw) :



2) Two Notes GENOME METAL GUITAR TONE (Gergo Hajer) :

 

[aldunk]

@eggpl@nt - This is a quick demo I just recorded to show the Mark V tone I've been jamming with this week. Not the best playing and not the best bass programming but this is all Genome for guitar and bass with no post processing other than hi/lo cut and a 500hz dip in the bass all using the built in EQ.

 

[djabthrash]

@eggpl@nt - This is a quick demo I just recorded to show the Mark V tone I've been jamming with this week. Not the best playing and not the best bass programming but this is all Genome for guitar and bass with no post processing other than hi/lo cut and a 500hz dip in the bass all using the built in EQ.

Nice

Solo is a bit too loud tho' :)
(Listen at high volume and you will hear it)

 

[PatF]

To be a true Wall of Sound replacement IMO Genome should be able to do at least 4 cabinets and have a wet/dry mix. This could be accomplished by adding a way to split the signal path again for at least three parallel cab paths. That way they wouldn't have add the mix knob to the UI. Then you can eq or compress the dry separately. I know it is a slippery slope blending dry amp signal and too many IR's but after many years of tweaking WoS found it to be best for me.

More flexible routing could open up a lot of things for this plugin. Being able to process each cab IR separately in Wos was very powerful feature. Having parallel paths before the amp and after the cabs could also open up some nice effects options.

I spent last weekend messing with Genome and got it sounding as good as my other plugins. Clean, dirt, and bass. I really appreciate the complimentary copy.

 

[dean701]

Not that I have time to test it:

GENOME Update v1.1 Has Landed! - Two notes

CODEX Updates: A Mono Mode has been implemented offering the following input configuration options: Stereo to Mono Mixdown (by default), Mono From Left, Mono From Right, Stereo Proteus Dynamic Knob captures can now be used in CODEX NAM captures with any sample rate can now be instantiated in...

www.two-notes.com

 

[Sascha Franck]

What is it with all these NAM players and *zero* proper file organisation?

- When a NAM file is missing in Genome, the display is showing the file name followed by "(missing)". No option to search/relocate it. Not even an option to copy the filename so I could use the OS-internal search functions.

- When I want to add a new capture folder, on macOS I always need to start at the "user" root. Meh.

- No option to sort captures in folders after my liking and then select folders in the capture pulldown. So in case I have multiple capture folders, I need to "re-surf" them each time I want to load a capture from a different folder. Uber-meh! Do you expect me to have 96923 captures in a single folder and scroll like a mad man?

Seriously, it's 2024, not 1995. Companies need to get a clue.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

What is it with all these NAM players and *zero* proper file organisation?

- When a NAM file is missing in Genome, the display is showing the file name followed by "(missing)". No option to search/relocate it. Not even an option to copy the filename so I could use the OS-internal search functions.

- When I want to add a new capture folder, on macOS I always need to start at the "user" root. Meh.

- No option to sort captures in folders after my liking and then select folders in the capture pulldown. So in case I have multiple capture folders, I need to "re-surf" them each time I want to load a capture from a different folder. Uber-meh! Do you expect me to have 96923 captures in a single folder and scroll like a mad man?

Seriously, it's 2024, not 1995. Companies need to get a clue.

with it being open source, it either needs someone to implement something across the board which I think is unlikely. Or companies have to handle their own metadata, which so far no one has really done well. Tonocracy tried but its crap.

I dont understand because Kemper's have been around forever, and all ANYONE has to do is just copy that and then improve it. So far, everything is much worse as far as organization.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I dont understand because Kemper's have been around forever, and all ANYONE has to do is just copy that and then improve it.

Well, softsamplers are around for even longer - and even the worst of them allow for better file organisation as in adding folders to favourites and asking you to search for missing files (usually offering various options).

Apart from that, I was talking about Genome - which isn't open source. But it's no better with the original NAM Player and only somewhat ok-ish with Tonocracy. I'd actually love using Genome for NAM duties because the capture block is pretty decent with it's tonestack, EQ and enhancing options.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Genome for NAM duties because the capture block is pretty decent with it's tonestack, EQ and enhancing options

Hmm, for me I can't stand anything that makes the tone sound less like it was originally intended. If I want a tone that I can dial in freely, I'm not going to reach for a capture - all those kind of tweaks just makes things fall apart for me. The real strength of capturing tech is capturing your own amps and being able to recall those sounds. For dialling stuff in, its really hit or miss, and when you have to deal with navigating a lot of files, you really have to wonder if its worth the trade off.

And yep, with captures there absolutely needs to be smarted organisation. Same goes for organising IR's which is still kind of crap across the board. Case in point, look how IK's current "jewel in the crown" ToneX handles importing individual IR's.