Tonex aliasing

[Richard_G]

While updating my Tonex software and Tonex One to get the new FX, I noticed this claim on the IK site: "Ultra-precise reproduction of high-frequency content with no aliasing whatsoever". Two things come to mind: 1) To what extent is this true?, and 2) Is this claim new?

 

[la szum]

How did 3 distinct words become one word? That's what I want to know.

 

[DLC86]

Yeah, sure...

PS: I'll test it again on the latest version if they added this claim recently

 

[FractalAudio]

I'm skeptical but I haven't measured one.

 

[2dor]

Yeah, sure...

PS: I'll test it again on the latest version if they added this claim recently

Very curious what you find.

 

[GTR37]

Very curious what you find.

When I listen to the clips compared to something like NDSP it almost sounds dull on the top end
Maybe there is no aliasing because they have filtered out so much of the frequencies that it is most detectable in

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Have they added the ability to make IR’s with Tonex? that’s a pretty nice feature that’s easy to do with the routing needed for making models. One I requested very early on, so you can make direct models and an IR at the same time for the same patch

 

[Guitarcal]

Yeah, sure...

PS: I'll test it again on the latest version if they added this claim recently

I'm curious what you find!

 

[Lysander]

It's digital, so "no aliasing whatsoever" is sadly just marketing lingo.

Would be interested to see if they improved aliasing performance though. IIRC ToneX never did particularly well in this regard.

 

[Richard_G]

Please keep in mind that I'm no expert on this, but I just did a simple test: I ran a test file provided by @jay mitchell in another discussion about aliasing through three different Tonex captures (using the plugin). The captures were a Fender BF Twin, a Mesa MkIIC+ and a Mesa Dual Rec, thus covering different gain levels.

Twin:
MkIIC+:
Dual Rec:

 

[DLC86]

Very curious what you find.

I'm curious what you find!

Same exact shit as before. They didn't even fix the SRC

 

[DLC86]

Please keep in mind that I'm no expert on this, but I just did a simple test: I ran a test file provided by @jay mitchell in another discussion about aliasing through three different Tonex captures (using the plugin). The captures were a Fender BF Twin, a Mesa MkIIC+ and a Mesa Dual Rec, thus covering different gain levels.

Twin:
MkIIC+:
Dual Rec:

Clearly audible!

 

[FractalAudio]

Please keep in mind that I'm no expert on this, but I just did a simple test: I ran a test file provided by @jay mitchell in another discussion about aliasing through three different Tonex captures (using the plugin). The captures were a Fender BF Twin, a Mesa MkIIC+ and a Mesa Dual Rec, thus covering different gain levels.

Twin:
MkIIC+:
Dual Rec:

Yikes. I guess their definition of aliasing must be something different.

 

[blandified]

Just for a noobie here, what is the impact of aliasing for these captures?

I have only had my FM9 for a couple weeks, but I kinda already consider myself a fractal fanboy. HOWEVER, I thought my dual Tonex One pedalboard sounded fantastic. It felt like a real amp for sure, and the amalgam captures (the only ones I like) seemed to find the special method to making quality captures.

Kinda like Kemper, M Britt profiles were what made the Kemper worth it for so long.

 

[blandified]

Yeah, sure...

PS: I'll test it again on the latest version if they added this claim recently

Such an interesting post, thanks for sharing!

 

[JiveTurkey]

It would have to sound like baby jesus to put up with that software.

 

[Richard_G]

I actually like Tonex, but I don't like false marketing claims. (I have some issues with the software as well.)

 

[Guitarcal]

Same exact shit as before. They didn't even fix the SRC

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Thanks for running the test again. That is frustrating... I am still on team Fractal.

 

[banned]

Please keep in mind that I'm no expert on this, but I just did a simple test: I ran a test file provided by @jay mitchell in another discussion about aliasing through three different Tonex captures (using the plugin). The captures were a Fender BF Twin, a Mesa MkIIC+ and a Mesa Dual Rec, thus covering different gain levels.

Twin:
MkIIC+:
Dual Rec:

For the less informed, what are folks listening for on these tracks to spot aliasing? I mean in the tone sweep, I didn't hear any altered frequencies (I mean...they're all going up as the clips play). Is it that fundamental is still ok but that the harmonics are off? If so, how does one know what harmonics are off if there is any gain/distortion? Care to share any tips on what to listen for specifically?

 

[Richard_G]

It's kind of hard to put into words, but do you hear the "UFO sounds" during the last part of the ascending frequency sweep? The warbling undertones? It's more clearly audible in the Recto example.