TMP, Would it Swing You If…

[texhex]

I keep going back and forth between picking up a QC or a TMP to play with basically, but at the end of the day they both have something I don’t like so I’m just sitting tight for now. I doubt Fender would put capture tech into the TMP, even if they could. Seems like they are totally going for a different market with it.

 

[laxu]

That is a huge untapped market. I can’t even count how many times I’ve read of people who have been avoiding modelers due to their complexity and steep learning curve.

It doesn't have to be one and the other though. I think QC strikes a pretty good balance where it's above all fast to operate for most things.

 

[mikah912]

I’ll eat my shoe if not every major brand includes capturing in his devices within 2 years, L6, Fender,Fractal. The tech is there, probably easy to fit into existing architecture, zero reason not to. I wouldn’t be surprised if the brands that are too late to compete in the “best marketplace for captures”…choose to embrace an open source like NAM to get some collective counterweight against Kemper/tonex/QC.

Fractal and Line 6 put a lot into their modeling. I can't see them undercutting that willy nilly for a wild West format like NAM that they have little control over. It doesn't have the ubiquity and stability of say, WAV impulse responses yet.

So that leaves yet another proprietary standard to compete with Tonehub, Tonex, Kemper, QC, Headrush, etc.

Not that compelling to me.

 

[holoholo]

One thing too. Doesn’t the TMP have bad aliasing and also don’t captures have bad aliasing? So will we get twice the fun?

I remember there was this thread but I didn’t eat my crayons today so I couldn’t understand it

Modelers and Aliasing

For testing and discussing modelers and plugins aliasing. You can use this free signal generator plugin in DAW: https://plugins4free.com/plugin/2801/ The sine tone should be above 11kHz because 2nd harmonic is twice the frequency and is outside the audible band (> 20kHz). With a real amp you...

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[Hapless]

I’ll eat my shoe

I've still got a hat set aside for if TB3 actually buys an FM9. I have less of a chance of needing it than you do of needing a shoe.

 

[laxu]

Fractal and Line 6 put a lot into their modeling. I can't see them undercutting that willy nilly for a wild West format like NAM that they have little control over. It doesn't have the ubiquity and stability of say, WAV impulse responses yet.

So that leaves yet another proprietary standard to compete with Tonehub, Tonex, Kemper, QC, Headrush, etc.

Not that compelling to me.

I would not be surprised if those companies come with their own solution that can maybe leverage neural networks for e.g amp matching or some other way that could combine their existing modeling with the ease of "capture my favorite real amp at these settings". Just adding a "NAM block" is not interesting.

Ultimately a fraction of users are capturing their real gear. A lot of people are not very experienced with amps so having everything "pre-baked" has appeal. Unless they own the real amp, they wouldn't know if the capture sounds authentic or not, so it becomes a game of "wow this sounds great to me!" instead. I think that's part of the success for e.g NeuralDSP plugins, good sounds out of the box.

 

[Whizzinby]

Fractal and Line 6 put a lot into their modeling. I can't see them undercutting that willy nilly for a wild West format like NAM that they have little control over. It doesn't have the ubiquity and stability of say, WAV impulse responses yet.

So that leaves yet another proprietary standard to compete with Tonehub, Tonex, Kemper, QC, Headrush, etc.

Not that compelling to me.

For a company like Fractal that seems driven by an obsession of quality, it doesnt seem on-brand to surrender tones on the device to a bunch of shittily made captures. (On all of these captures platforms, you’re doing well if you can find one good one in every ten you demo) Its also an increasingly irrelevant feature for Line 6 or Fractal because of the amount of native models they now have in their libraries.

Which sort of goes to my general feel that capturing is really only important for companies and devices that can’t offer extensive libraries of quality models. Or companies that like the potential for future paid DLC.

 

[[Nathan]]

I know it’s hypothetical but I can’t get over the idea of a unit charging you to do a capture. Maybe kemper could have had a coin slot on the side and Christoph comes around once a month to grab his change, great side hustle in this economy.

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[JiveTurkey]

And the quit cornflex?

 

[JCW308]

I'm actually starting to despise captures / profiles, etc.... it's a huge headache to create patches. I mean, liquid profiles are OK I guess but I'd rather just use modeling instead of searching through volumes of stull all the time for certain sounds.

 

[Sedaxel]

It's not that I'd buy a TMP if it gets capturing.

It's just that I wouldn't ever buy a TMP unless it gets capturing. Then, and only then, I would start considering it... Although it wouldn't be probable either. And if course... No fees at all.

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Not even If they paid me .99 per free capture that I loaded into the box. I don’t want to own anything that meh.

 

[BenIfin]

I'm actually starting to despise captures / profiles, etc.... it's a huge headache to create patches. I mean, liquid profiles are OK I guess but I'd rather just use modeling instead of searching through volumes of stull all the time for certain sounds.

Static Captures and Static Profiles are *great* as long as you leave them at the setting you make them.

Once you start applying their inbuilt generic post-EQ Blocks and the Generic pre-Linear Gain Boosts and Cuts for their "gain" controls, they start to turn to shit and begin to sound very un-amp-like almost instantly.

Thats why the KPA LP approach - for their limited ~40 or so stacks - responds and feels to authentic.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I'm actually starting to despise captures / profiles, etc.... it's a huge headache to create patches. I mean, liquid profiles are OK I guess but I'd rather just use modeling instead of searching through volumes of stull all the time for certain sounds.

I literally only use my own captures of my Fractal presets, when I’m messing around with song structure/composition. Run a few takes, copy one to another track, pan left/right, and then apply different ToneX caps. I’m not sure I’ve got a ton of interest otherwise.

 

[MadMaxG79]

I chose “No” because capture technology doesn’t appeal to me whatsoever. I prefer to have 100% control over how I dial in my tones, and not rely on someone else’s idea of how an amp should sound.

I also didn’t choose “I will never buy a TMP… ever” because who knows? It could eventually be the leader in modeling. Highly unlikely, but you never know.

OK... John Candy always makes me laugh


And I agree. Capturing doesn't interest me at all. I don't have any amps or access to amps I'd wanna capture and downloading them seems dumb. Just give me a sweet list of amps and I'll dial them in.

To be honest, capturing is a nothing burger for me

Captures are largely a waste of time imo

This.

 

[pablo retamal]

I would like more if any device from any range came out that could, instead of generating a capture, generate an IR from any audio source and format, through a block

 

[timbuck3]

I think before captures fender needs to add way more variety of models and effects

 

[[Nathan]]

I think before captures fender needs to add way more variety of models and effects

What stuff is missing that you'd want to see in there?

 

[[Nathan]]

If you want an idea of how many effect types are missing from the TMP, just look at the effect list for the Line6 Helix, Zoom G11, and the Boss GT1000.

Missing is arbitrary because I could cherry pick any modeller and then list a bunch of pedals and effects that are "missing". It's why I was asking what he'd want to see in there... for his needs whats actually missing?

I have basic reverb/delay needs and whenever I pull up the effect types I can get the sound I want, but obviously that isn't going to be the case for everyone. I like drives and boosts and for example the TC Electronic Preamp (aka Dirty Tree) is "missing"... but that list could also be 300 pedals long if I name everything.

I guess I kept seeing this rhetoric on the QC and TMP but when you actually look into it they kind of mostly do the job. It's only really Fractal that has the kitchen sink of effects in there... and if you look at the fractal forums theres still people asking for new amps and effects so its really a never ending / open ended kind of conversation.