The only thing that will save Headrush is NAM compatibility

And Kemper liquid profiles are not 15 years old, BTW.

Yes, they are the same 15 year old profiles with a layer of new marketing lipstick applied. All they did was add a few different stock tone stack options and pretend they did something revolutionary, while all the warts and flaws remain.
 
Yes, they are the same 15 year old profiles with a layer of new marketing lipstick applied. All they did was add a few different stock tone stack options and pretend they did something revolutionary, while all the warts and flaws remain.
Do you even know what a LIQUID profile is? You don't sound like you do. And you sure don't sound like you are grasping what a superclone is. WOW
 
Do you even know what a LIQUID profile is? You don't sound like you do. And you sure don't sound like you are grasping what a superclone is. WOW

I know exactly what a liquid profile is, do YOU? HINT: It's not exactly as advertised under the hood!
 
Yes, they are the same 15 year old profiles with a layer of new marketing lipstick applied. All they did was add a few different stock tone stack options and pretend they did something revolutionary, while all the warts and flaws remain.

Do you even know what a LIQUID profile is? You don't sound like you do. And you sure don't sound like you are grasping what a superclone is. WOW
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Eh, i've been hearing this ever since NAM launched, and here we are, with the QCs and Kempers and ToneXes of the world outselling NAM devices by a couple orders of magnitude.

NAM is really cool, don't get me wrong, but i don't think it's the be all, end all of guitar tone some are making it to be. IMHO sales would not sway one bit if Headrush announced support tomorrow.
This is really the point IMO. Only people who sit around doing NULL testing care about NAM. Anyone that gigs would quickly tell you it's just a toy in its existing state with little hardware support, and little ability to tweak a capture once it is created. For the gigging musician, NAM just doesn't cut it at all.
Captures are meh. Even if Headrush did incorporate NAM they’d still have to do something about their market perception. The only people IRL that I know that give a shit about NAM don’t even own any hardware because they don’t play out.
Agree.

HR isn't a bad product really, it's just not quite up to the competition yet. Perhaps it will get there after a couple more updates?

Neither Fractal or Line 6 capture at all and they are at the top of the sales chart for reasons OTHER than capture. Obviously there is more to the world than capture.
 
Anyone that gigs would quickly tell you it's just a toy in its existing state with little hardware support, and little ability to tweak a capture once it is created. For the gigging musician, NAM just doesn't cut it at all.

I do agree with you, but most guitarists don't gig and most gigging guitarists spend way way more time playing outside of gigs than on stage. The problems with NAM go beyond gigging and that's why it wouldn't be a golden ticket for Headrush.
 
This is really the point IMO. Only people who sit around doing NULL testing care about NAM
Or people making records for a living. There’s a big music industry outside of golf club gigs….. kemper and QC don’t have a plugin version, and if they did, I still wouldn’t use them over NAM because they sound inferior. Nothing to do with null tests.
 
Or people making records for a living. There’s a big music industry outside of golf club gigs….. kemper and QC don’t have a plugin version, and if they did, I still wouldn’t use them over NAM because they sound inferior. Nothing to do with null tests.
Personally I don’t think I’d stress too much about my tone at a golf club gig, likely you’re just background noise anyway lol
 
This is really the point IMO. Only people who sit around doing NULL testing care about NAM. Anyone that gigs would quickly tell you it's just a toy in its existing state with little hardware support, and little ability to tweak a capture once it is created. For the gigging musician, NAM just doesn't cut it at all.

Agree.

HR isn't a bad product really, it's just not quite up to the competition yet. Perhaps it will get there after a couple more updates?

Neither Fractal or Line 6 capture at all and they are at the top of the sales chart for reasons OTHER than capture. Obviously there is more to the world than capture.
Line 6 will be capturing soon though with the Stadium!
 
Obviously a small sample size, but the people I know doing music as a living aren’t using NAM on a regular basis. I have yet to see it pop up in any of the production classes or mix walk-throughs.
 
Obviously a small sample size, but the people I know doing music as a living aren’t using NAM on a regular basis. I have yet to see it pop up in any of the production classes or mix walk-throughs.

Apologies for butting in here, but, coming from a perspective of reading and answering emails, or approving and supporting user posts, or chatting with various developers whose products support or build upon NAM, or with producers, mix engineers, or artists around the world that do use NAM in some form (note: there are now countless many ways to leverage NAM in a workflow) - it's pretty evident to me it's as popular choice as any really.


Love to know what records.

Again, apologies for butting in here - I'm not the target of this question...
But, that's not information people normally just throw about willy nilly unless they want to go through a mix rundown themselves, but I've seen a lot of finished music coming out in the last few years that I have been told directly has had some combination of NAM and other tech being used to great effect.

I like all sorts of technology, including NAM (of course) - and one of the great things in my opinion about NAM is that it relies on people still buying real amps, pedals, and outboard gear, and helps bring those products into the digital workflow of the modern era.
eg. I can now play through captures of my own gear, or other peoples, via a computer, a hardware pedal, or whatever.... and really fine tune my workflow. I don't need proprietary bespoke solutions such as a QC or a Kemper, which only works in one product.

We are living in a world now that is awesome for not only accurate reproduction of a great tone, but also one of flexibility - not only in workflow, but also in terms of fitting to any budget.
 
If they were to fade away, would they really be missed?
The new headrush units can load VSTs and tone match them. So you can load up your favorite Neural DSP, Genome, or other VST and store it in your Headrush for use on a pedalboard. That’s pretty slick. Now if only 50% of their effects didn’t sound terrible and were in that dreadful drop down list.
 
We had a band open for us this weekend and the guitar player was using a Headrush and an EVH FRFR. I have to say it sounded as good as any other modeling setup I've heard. He got some great tones out of it. So maybe it's not that bad, as far as real world application goes.
 
We had a band open for us this weekend and the guitar player was using a Headrush and an EVH "FRFR". I have to say it sounded as good as any other modeling setup I've heard. He got some great tones out of it. So maybe it's not that bad, as far as real world application goes.

People got great tones out of the Elevenrack too. Definitely not bad, just not state of the art 2025
 
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