The Digital Doubt

[ian_dissonance]

Maybe a side effect of only playing original music on multiband bills since I was 15, but live tone has always been “this is as good as it’s going to be after line check LETS GO!!!” I don’t think I’ve ever wanted/need to adjusted anything besides maybe low or high end on a global EQ and then I’ll never think about it again during the show. I get slightly annoyed when a band finishes their first song and both guitar players force the singer to fill dead air while they adjust to whatever on their pedalboard. Figure that shit out at home.

 

[woody]

I forgot to mention that I have a couple of other ideas that I bought gear to try at some point.

I bought a Two Notes CAB M+ a few years ago, a little while before the Opus came out. My thought there was to put this at the end of my pedalboard and try to use that as a direct solution. It tested well at home but I have not had the opportunity to try it in a live scenario.

I'm about to get probably an Opus or the mini ToneX as a set and forget kinda DI input for playing live.
I'll split to the Opus and my amp after the pedal board. This will leave me open to twist knobbies and mess with the volume on my amp without it affecting the signal going to the FOH.
And, no mic stands to be kicked or knocked over during the set.

 

[jay mitchell]

Always trips me out a bit how modeling opened the world up for tones and instead of diving into it and just doing your thing, there are some that want the opposite and the choice to be removed for them.

Marketing has been quite successful at programming lots of folks. People would rather be told what's "best" than decide for themselves. It's the same reason that folks form tribes: they seek the reassurance of others who've been similarly conned.

I’m very curious how much of that plays into complaints about Fractal units being too deep, or modeling complaints in general, where people are projecting their concerns/inability to make a decision on the modeler itself.

"Option overload" is a personal, not an equipment, issue.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I’ve got enough experience that I don’t have much I need to do last minute/second, and the things I might need to do that with are easily changed on an fm9 preset using the performance controls. I rarely need to use them though.

D

Fwiw, it's not really about experience but about the kind of gig.

 

[Shredder777]

I would love to hear what this person actually wants.

D

Butt plug wireless midi channel switching.

 

[dk_ace]

Fwiw, it's not really about experience but about the kind of gig.

Totally disagree

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Butt plug wireless midi channel switching.

When you fart it switches channel

 

[Orvillain]

So wait, was this a 'Fractal Defense Force' thread all along????

<ducks>

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

So wait, was this a 'Fractal Defense Force' thread all along????

<ducks>

Seems like buying a fractal will solve all my tone problems

 

[the swede]

When you fart it switches channel

No way I’d try to fart with a butt plug midi controller. That would be a nightmare when it flies out.

It needs to be controlled with the muscles down there… you know. Pinch and hold, loosen a little, maybe a little hint of downward pressure. Such methods. Pull it a little in and out with muscles control… that kind of technique.
It’s also probably good training for that area.
I’ve read that “clinching” or holding in is good for the… thing… whatever it may be called. Endurance?

 

[dk_ace]

So wait, was this a 'Fractal Defense Force' thread all along????

<ducks>

I think the convo immediately focuses on fractal because they have the most options available out of the field. I could have talked about helix instead, but there’s a lot less parameters there it’s just a tad more than the analog equivalent.

If you want to talk about option paralysis in digital vs analog, the conversation is inevitably going to focus on fractal immediately I think.

D

 

[Allexi]

I personally don't have such issues as "doubts". An I know sometimes there could be a choice paralysis from the number of available IRs or too many tweak parameters. I started my journey by trying to get my sound close to the records I like, but then with more gained experience and may be because of age & maturity I stopped bothering if it matches 99% or 45%. I discovered that recorded tones on a record are not necessarily that pleasant/good/exiting when isolated and in some cases when successfully matched to a referenced one - I stop and departure from it to something mine. And again no doubts if it is cool or not. I may record my own sound mixed and compare it to some records - if good then what should bother me at all?

 

[DrewJD82]

So wait, was this a 'Fractal Defense Force' thread all along????

<ducks>

Hahah definitely not.

At most, one of the examples of not trusting one’s self came from the FAS forum, IIRC.

 

[the swede]

I could have talked about helix instead, but there’s a lot less parameters there it’s just a tad more than the analog equivalent.

well, it’s not only about the amount of parameters. It’s about the amount of things. And they way it is presented.

As far as I know Fractal has some kind of “easy” mode that doesn’t force the parameters on you. Helix does not. They give you a Pod Express, “here you have all you complainers about option paralysis”.

Not even the Pod Go makes things easier really. It makes things harder by presenting a ton of options and (as I recall) the same parameters, but you’re now forced by dsp.


I said earlier that I won’t complain about Helix. But the reasoning that Fractal is the worst… I don’t think so. A friendly user interface might in this case be the worse one, psychologically speaking.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

So wait, was this a 'Fractal Defense Force' thread all along????

<ducks>

Fractal fractal fractal!

 

[holoholo]

No way I’d try to fart with a butt plug midi controller. That would be a nightmare when it flies out.

It needs to be controlled with the muscles down there… you know. Pinch and hold, loosen a little, maybe a little hint of downward pressure. Such methods. Pull it a little in and out with muscles control… that kind of technique.
It’s also probably good training for that area.
I’ve read that “clinching” or holding in is good for the… thing… whatever it may be called. Endurance?

 

[dk_ace]

well, it’s not only about the amount of parameters. It’s about the amount of things. And they way it is presented.

As far as I know Fractal has some kind of “easy” mode that doesn’t force the parameters on you. Helix does not. They give you a Pod Express, “here you have all you complainers about option paralysis”.

Not even the Pod Go makes things easier really. It makes things harder by presenting a ton of options and (as I recall) the same parameters, but you’re now forced by dsp.


I said earlier that I won’t complain about Helix. But the reasoning that Fractal is the worst… I don’t think so. A friendly user interface might in this case be the worse one, psychologically speaking.

Fractals “easy view” IS what you have to adjust in Helix lol. Ok that’s maybe not totally fair there are a few extra parameters in Helix but not nearly enough to warrant an easier view outside of a simpler product.

D

 

[Eagle]

No. The best is being on stage with my idealized cab.

Except it’s actually nothing like that.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Totally disagree

You can disagree all you want, but in that case you're not playing the gigs I am playing. As easy as that.