The Digital Doubt

[mercifulfuzziness]

I re-read my OP last night and could see how it turned out that way as a result of how I ended the post. More my fault for not sticking straight to the lack of trusting one’s own ears as I brought up the option aspect myself. Just took me a while to figure out where to jump back in.

Your skill to bring the original topic back is admirable.

 

[AutomationBias]

Someone at the FAS forum the other day described carrying a gig bag and another bag with an FM3 in it torture. This is where we are with gear today. I have to tap out at that level of entitlement.

Made me think of this brilliant FB Marketplace listing I saw last night:

 

[JiveTurkey]

Made me think of this brilliant FB Marketplace listing I saw last night:

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LITERAL pain

 

[Sascha Franck]

The way I use it, the FM9 isn’t harder to use than the tools I would use instead if I didn’t have a modeling rig.

I use fairly complex things, and I’m too spoiled to go back to tap dancing live. That means I’ve got to have a switching rig that gets programmed. My board will probably have to consist of some midi gear too to keep the physical size down. Managing all of that is going to be at least as complex and time consuming as the Fm9, probably moreso.

D

Setting up might be complexed. But last minute/second adjustments are almost impossible to realize on most single modeler solutions - and even more so the FM9. Sure, in case you don't need those adjustments, fine.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Funnily enough, that's why I've been enjoying the "crippled" NC

Oh crap, what do you mean by NC?

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Oh crap, what do you mean by NC?

 

[jellodog]

Oh crap, what do you mean by NC?

Nano Cortex. It's a silly name and I didn't feel like typing it.

 

[dk_ace]

Setting up might be complexed. But last minute/second adjustments are almost impossible to realize on most single modeler solutions - and even more so the FM9. Sure, in case you don't need those adjustments, fine.

I’ve got enough experience that I don’t have much I need to do last minute/second, and the things I might need to do that with are easily changed on an fm9 preset using the performance controls. I rarely need to use them though.

D

 

[JiveTurkey]

Nano Cortex. It's a silly name and I didn't feel like typing it.

We never did create a Claude Vortex equivalent

 

[AutomationBias]

Nano Cortex.

 

[FuzzyAce]

Nano Cortex. It's a silly name and I didn't feel like typing it.

I was leaning towards the Neural thing but got confused.

 

[dk_ace]

Someone at the FAS forum the other day described carrying a gig bag and another bag with an FM3 in it torture. This is where we are with gear today. I have to tap out at that level of entitlement.

I would love to hear what this person actually wants.

D

 

[jellodog]

We never did create a Claude Vortex equivalent

Nacho Cortez ?

Noodle Vortex?

 

[JiveTurkey]

I would love to hear what this person actually wants.

D

I was going to uncharacteristically retort with something snarky like "oh I thought when you said torture you meant bamboo under the remaining fingernails or waterboarding" but then I saw he was vaguely Eastern European and decided to move on with the day

 

[FuzzyAce]

Nacho Cortez ?

 

[dk_ace]

I was going to uncharacteristically retort with something snarky like "oh I thought when you said torture you meant bamboo under the remaining fingernails or waterboarding" but then I saw he was vaguely Eastern European and decided to move on with the day

We are getting spoiled though these days. One of the main reasons I decided not to build a huge analog rig with a switching system is that I don’t want to haul a huge, heavy pedalboard rig when I could just keep taking the fm9 in a backpack.

I used to haul a Mesa OS 412, a head, and an unnecessarily big and heavy (like a genius I made it out of laminated 3/4” mdf and made it twice as big as it actually needed to be) pedalboard and run it all in 4cm. Then I hauled one or even two combo amps plus a board plus a load box and speaker sim setup. Years later I carried a pedaltrain terra sized custom board that had to have weighed 60+lbs in just a soft case.

Today I want it to fit in a backpack…

D

 

[JiveTurkey]

We are getting spoiled though these days. One of the main reasons I decided not to build a huge analog rig with a switching system is that I don’t want to haul a huge, heavy pedalboard rig when I could just keep taking the fm9 in a backpack.

I used to haul a Mesa OS 412, a head, and an unnecessarily big and heavy (like a genius I made it out of laminated 3/4” mdf and made it twice as big as it actually needed to be) pedalboard and run it all in 4cm. Then I hauled one or even two combo amps plus a board plus a load box and speaker sim setup. Years later I carried a pedaltrain terra sized custom board that had to have weighed 60+lbs in just a soft case.

Today I want it to fit in a backpack…

D

I absolutely agree with the intention. It's just the SHRIEKING HYPERBOLE where I'm like

 

[ian_dissonance]

Maybe a side effect of only playing original music on multiband bills since I was 15, but live tone has always been “this is as good as it’s going to be after line check LETS GO!!!” I don’t think I’ve ever wanted/need to adjusted anything besides maybe low or high end on a global EQ and then I’ll never think about it again during the show. I get slightly annoyed when a band finishes their first song and both guitar players force the singer to fill dead air while they adjust to whatever on their pedalboard. Figure that shit out at home.

 

[woody]

I forgot to mention that I have a couple of other ideas that I bought gear to try at some point.

I bought a Two Notes CAB M+ a few years ago, a little while before the Opus came out. My thought there was to put this at the end of my pedalboard and try to use that as a direct solution. It tested well at home but I have not had the opportunity to try it in a live scenario.

I'm about to get probably an Opus or the mini ToneX as a set and forget kinda DI input for playing live.
I'll split to the Opus and my amp after the pedal board. This will leave me open to twist knobbies and mess with the volume on my amp without it affecting the signal going to the FOH.
And, no mic stands to be kicked or knocked over during the set.

 

[jay mitchell]

Always trips me out a bit how modeling opened the world up for tones and instead of diving into it and just doing your thing, there are some that want the opposite and the choice to be removed for them.

Marketing has been quite successful at programming lots of folks. People would rather be told what's "best" than decide for themselves. It's the same reason that folks form tribes: they seek the reassurance of others who've been similarly conned.

I’m very curious how much of that plays into complaints about Fractal units being too deep, or modeling complaints in general, where people are projecting their concerns/inability to make a decision on the modeler itself.

"Option overload" is a personal, not an equipment, issue.