The Digital Doubt

[Eagle]

It's not because of physical size. That's only an issue when it comes to the transportation factor.

It depends on the gig , I work with people who are severely restricted in what they can use on tour for reasons other and including transportation. They are not all digital users but most have resigned themselves to it. Quite stage volumes and even no amps on stage have all contributed to it.

 

[Eagle]

What I’ve seen in the stores I went to, for what I want the amp would be somewhere between 1500 - 3000 euro. Then I would perhaps need some pedals to get that break up, etc so I think around 400 euro on pedals which I probably keep switching every year.

It would be around 2000 just to start.

And then I also need to be disciplined to not buy another amp because I am tone chasing but now physically.

Lots more on pedals by the time you power them and put them on a board with decent cables.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Lots more on pedals by the time you power them and put them on a board with decent cables.

For guys like me who are just starting with all this stuff a modelers is probably also good to be able to experiment with all those sounds before making purchases.

Then again, going back to “the digital doubt”, I have found zero overdrive pedals (including fuzz and distortion) that made me enthusiastic. I always like the natural amp sound better. And the doubt is in: am I dialing these overdrives correctly? I do know that they sound pretty much like the real thing but whatever I do, I never enjoy the sound especially with the added hisssssss that comes from these pedals. They always seem to color the sound that I find is disappointing to the amp sound. All my favorite artists use a lot of overdrive pedals tho so “digital doubt” again.

 

[Jynx]

I thought I'd get option paralysis when I got the Quad Cortex but the reality ended up being I very quickly found which amps, cabs, OD, delay, reverb, flanger, chorus, tremolo, and phaser I really like and only use a tiny handful of what's on it.

I just use what sounds good to me.

 

[Eagle]

The cheapest rig I have is a power Kemper in to a mesa thieli ev small easy to move, can do anything. I often use it at jams and practices or teaching.

 

[laxu]

What I’ve seen in the stores I went to, for what I want the amp would be somewhere between 1500 - 3000 euro. Then I would perhaps need some pedals to get that break up, etc so I think around 400 euro on pedals which I probably keep switching every year.

It would be around 2000 just to start.

And then I also need to be disciplined to not buy another amp because I am tone chasing but now physically.

That's the trap. But realistically, you could just use your HX Stomp for all your fx needs unless you want to be a stickler about your precious analog signal.

 

[Eagle]

For guys like me who are just starting with all this stuff a modelers is probably also good to be able to experiment with all those sounds before making purchases.

Then again, going back to “the digital doubt”, I have found zero overdrive pedals (including fuzz and distortion) that made me enthusiastic. I always like the natural amp sound better. And the doubt is in: am I dialing these overdrives correctly? I do know that they sound pretty much like the real thing but whatever I do, I never enjoy the sound especially with the added hisssssss that comes from these pedals. They always seem to color the sound that I find is disappointing to the amp sound. All my favorite artists use a lot of overdrive pedals tho so “digital doubt” again.

I have never been a fan of digital drives in to amps but I don’t mind them in a full digital environment.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

That's the trap. But realistically, you could just use your HX Stomp for all your fx needs unless you want to be a stickler about your precious analog signal.

Ye that’s true. Only thing I would probably need is a delay and a reverb because with the stomp that would get in front of the amp.

Anyways .. I am not in the market for this stuff and I just don’t think I could really use a tube amp in my home at this point.

And your friend Uncle Larry says: until intermediate the amp is just to amplify the sound

The HX and Jbl do they wonderfully

 

[Sascha Franck]

It depends on the gig , I work with people who are severely restricted in what they can use on tour for reasons other and including transportation. They are not all digital users but most have resigned themselves to it. Quite stage volumes and even no amps on stage have all contributed to it.

This is still not what Govan is about.

 

[duzie]

 

[laxu]

For guys like me who are just starting with all this stuff a modelers is probably also good to be able to experiment with all those sounds before making purchases.

Then again, going back to “the digital doubt”, I have found zero overdrive pedals (including fuzz and distortion) that made me enthusiastic. I always like the natural amp sound better. And the doubt is in: am I dialing these overdrives correctly? I do know that they sound pretty much like the real thing but whatever I do, I never enjoy the sound especially with the added hisssssss that comes from these pedals. They always seem to color the sound that I find is disappointing to the amp sound. All my favorite artists use a lot of overdrive pedals tho so “digital doubt” again.

I almost never used the drive pedals on Helix or Fractal, because you could do the same things with amps, and you don't have to deal with compromises of the amp. Twin Reverb not giving you the drive sound you want? Swap it for e.g the Mesa Lonestar, or something completely different.

With real world rigs it's different because you need to work around any quirks and limitations your amp might have. You can't guarantee you can play a Deluxe Reverb cranked to edge of breakup all the time, so the sensible thing is to push it with pedals instead. Or if you are a high gain player, maybe your Recto needs a boost in front to tighten it up.

There's of course plenty of amps that are more than capable enough on their own, so you could slap a delay and reverb in the fx loop and be done with it.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

I almost never used the drive pedals on Helix or Fractal, because you could do the same things with amps, and you don't have to deal with compromises of the amp. Twin Reverb not giving you the drive sound you want? Swap it for e.g the Mesa Lonestar, or something completely different.

With real world rigs it's different because you need to work around any quirks and limitations your amp might have. You can't guarantee you can play a Deluxe Reverb cranked to edge of breakup all the time, so the sensible thing is to push it with pedals instead. Or if you are a high gain player, maybe your Recto needs a boost in front to tighten it up.

There's of course plenty of amps that are more than capable enough on their own, so you could slap a delay and reverb in the fx loop and be done with it.

Yep that’s it! Hits the nail on the head.

I have the super reverb at gain 8 and that just gives all I want to hear.

I think it was Sasha who said he uses the Blue one (the new amp since 3.8) still a bit more than the Super reverb because the break up hits better.

 

[Eagle]

That's the trap. But realistically, you could just use your HX Stomp for all your fx needs unless you want to be a stickler about your precious analog signal.

On my analog rigs I am. I prefer to set them up WDW which is something that once tried you can’t go back from and it actually can make your fx path simpler. You can say no digital in the front end and run your fx loop out to a Axe3 and then a GT1000fx and wet "FRFR" cabs with your main analog sound in a guitar cab . That is my favourite setup with either my VH4 or my X88/ VHT setup. I have a vintage phase 90 a Klon an old dynacomp a TC chorus / flanger and a Vox wha. It’s not on a board because I don’t gig anymore .

 

[Eagle]

This is still not what Govan is about.

It is if you ask him. Guthrie is the most musical person and will use whatever you put in front of him to inspire something new. He has used digital to do things you just can’t with tube gear. That said in the studio he is 100% tube amp for core tones still. It’s all tools and pleasing yourself mostly though.

 

[Sascha Franck]

What I’ve seen in the stores I went to, for what I want the amp would be somewhere between 1500 - 3000 euro. Then I would perhaps need some pedals to get that break up, etc so I think around 400 euro on pedals which I probably keep switching every year.

It would be around 2000 just to start.

Used tube amp, <500, maybe a Boss MS-3 for FX and comfortable switching, 3 pedals. You could get away with around 1000 easily. And it'd be a very decent sounding setup.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Used tube amp, <500, maybe a Boss MS-3 for FX and comfortable switching, 3 pedals. You could get away with around 1000 easily. And it'd be a very decent sounding setup.

I never buy second hand, except for our cars.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It is if you ask him.

Not in this video.

He has used digital to do things you just can’t with tube gear.

This. But you didn't even mention it in your first post but tried to reduce the advances of digital gear to the form factor only.

That said in the studio he is 100% tube amp for core tones still.

No. The Dune soundtrack was done with pretty much just the FM9.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I never buy second hand, except for our cars.

Your loss then. Especially with pedals and amps it's an extremely clever idea to buy 2nd hand.

 

[Eagle]

Not in this video.



This. But you didn't even mention it in your first post but tried to reduce the advances of digital gear to the form factor only.



No. The Dune soundtrack was done with pretty much just the FM9.

Non of his own music is fm9

 

[Sascha Franck]

I almost never used the drive pedals on Helix or Fractal, because you could do the same things with amps, and you don't have to deal with compromises of the amp. Twin Reverb not giving you the drive sound you want? Swap it for e.g the Mesa Lonestar, or something completely different.

I'm completely different, because I don't want to switch patches much. So I'm using baseline amp sounds and pedals for variety. Did the same in the analog world already.