Sweetwater now carries... Suhr *

[nicolasrivera]

How is gibson over priced? I mean I think all brands are overpriced these days but I'm struggling to see how Gibson is worse than any one else

For the longest time they had the most affordable USA built guitar on the market with the LP tributes (awesome guitars btw)

PRS would like a word.... (and I say this as a massive PRS fanboy)

ok, here is the most recent and clearer example:

 

[JiveTurkey]

I'm waiting for SW to acquire Rondo

 

[Achilles]

Gibson started this fuck-priced guitar domino effect.

In their defense, the original run of R7, R8, and R9 Historics warranted a big price tag.
But that was a long time ago and these days everyone does it at every opportunity, and sometimes for the stupidest of reasons.

 

[LeftyLoungeLizard]

Hey if you want a Floyd on that, that'll be an extra $1000.

"Locking Tremolo Setup Labor", dontcha know. I got kids ta feed.

 

[spawnofthesith]

ok, here is the most recent and clearer example:

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Those aren't guitars for typical consumers. And you can pull similar examples from PRS, Fender, etc. etc.

Silly CS pieces for billionairs and collectors dont really apply to the normal consumer conversation imo

 

[LeftyLoungeLizard]

ok, here is the most recent and clearer example:

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Exactly. There's a perfect example of Gibson fuckery.

And who the fuck is "Jason Isbell" anyways?

I'm all for capitalism (biz owner myself) but there is a line between "fair price for a fair deal" and "fucking the shit out of someone".

 

[nicolasrivera]

Those aren't guitars for typical consumers. And you can pull similar examples from PRS, Fender, etc. etc.

Silly CS pieces for billionairs and collectors dont really apply to the normal consumer conversation imo

Non the less, its one of the most extreme overpriced pieces Gibson brands have to offer, there are plenty more in the Murphy lab section and the USA section too.


Even today, the Epiphones have started dipping its toes in the ridiculous pricing.

 

[Eagle]

Pay your staff properly and give shops a proper profit margin and by that I mean a 35% lift on top of the things I said earlier in the thread and you get to $4k fairly easily.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Exactly. There's a perfect example of Gibson fuckery.

And who the fuck is "Jason Isbell" anyways?

I'm all for capitalism (biz owner myself) but there is a line between "fair price for a fair deal" and "fucking the shit out of someone".

I don't care much for his music personally, but Jason Isbell is a pretty famous and well respected musician and songwriter. He is easily deserving of a signature model as any

Non the less, its one of the most extreme overpriced pieces Gibson brands have to offer, there are plenty more in the Murphy lab section and the USA section too.


Even today, the Epiphones have started dipping its toes in the ridiculous pricing.

The MIC epiphones with veneers for $1500 + definitely bug me.

But in terms of standard production line instruments, I think Gibson is pretty in line with the rest of the market for better or worse Gibson always gets called out for this sort of thing a lot more than anyone else doing the same or worse

 

[0XI0]

So what's happening here is another roughly $1.5-2K padded on top for "labor". That better be the finest motherfucking luthiers in the world imported from goddamned Leichtenstein working on that shit at that labor rate; which you know damn well it ain't.

well it was that good, it has been that good, but as they scale up volume you know it won't stay that way, like PRS S2 beveled Kia garbage.

the tone is quantifiable in sustain and resonance, it all boils down to very minute techniques in how base materials are treated (dried) and assembled (press fit + glued), and the resulting vibrational transfer through the whole assembly. ie cnc tolerances, and how much resulting pressure is holding in the frets, the nut, the tuners, the neck pocket. you don't get that tone out of warmoth or Gibson stuff for one reason, there's basically not a much mechanical pressure between materials. ESP Japan, kiesel, Anderson, Suhr, all share a resonant characteristic, from two things in common, wood dried out extra crazy and sealed up, and components assembled tight af

 

[Achilles]

And who the fuck is "Jason Isbell" anyways?

He's no Rex Brown, that's for sure.

Rex Brown Signature

Jason Isbell has more than earned having a sig. Check out the dude's bio and stop yelling at clouds!

 

[LeftyLoungeLizard]

He's no Rex Brown, that's for sure.

Rex Brown Signature

Jason Isbell has more than earned having a sig. Check out the dude's bio and stop yelling at clouds!

Is he as good as Guy Mann-Dude?

 

[LeftyLoungeLizard]

 

[spawnofthesith]

Hes no gear man dude

 

[Eagle]

well it was that good, it has been that good, but as they scale up volume you know it won't stay that way, like PRS S2 beveled Kia garbage.

the tone is quantifiable in sustain and resonance, it all boils down to very minute techniques in how base materials are treated (dried) and assembled (press fit + glued), and the resulting vibrational transfer through the whole assembly. ie cnc tolerances, and how much resulting pressure is holding in the frets, the nut, the tuners, the neck pocket. you don't get that tone out of warmoth or Gibson stuff for one reason, there's basically not a much mechanical pressure between materials. ESP Japan, kiesel, Anderson, Suhr, all share a resonant characteristic, from two things in common, wood dried out extra crazy and sealed up, and components assembled tight af

This is only partially true. Quality materials that fit well do not benefit from “tight af”

 

[6CA7-A]

Non the less, its one of the most extreme overpriced pieces Gibson brands have to offer, there are plenty more in the Murphy lab section and the USA section too.


Even today, the Epiphones have started dipping its toes in the ridiculous pricing.

um like $1300 epi's & squires choking the CL's of the planet b/c the sellar saw those prices on reverb ?
uh whats next "medical Heroin" ?

 

[norminal]

 

[6CA7-A]

Whats trajic is theres a whole generation or 2 that think Jason Lulubell is famous.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Whats trajic is theres a whole generation or 2 that think Jason Lulubell is famous.

I think its probably more amusing if there's a generation that thinks he's not

I'm not convinced thats the case though because his music appeals to geezers mostly as far as I can tell

 

[Baba]

Isn't Suhr going to have to ramp up production, to keep up with a high volume retailer like Sweetwater?

I really need to play a worn in Suhr, because I have probably played about 7 or 8 of them, off the wall, and NONE of them felt like a $4k guitar, or what an off the wall PRS feels like. They APPEARED high quality and looked great, but didn't play that way in my hands.