Question for bands using modeling

[GuitarBilly74]

Why not switch the drums to e-kits too? Seems like that would be the biggest rig and loudest source of stage volume. And e-drums sound pretty good these days, I think.

Genuinely curious, not trolling.

 

[Orvillain]

E-kits are pretty big in certain sectors. Quite a number of years ago I remember reading a NAMM report that implied that e-kits had outsold acoustic kits by quite a margin for the first time. Not sure if that trend continued.

 

[newholland]

curious of the answer here as well.

i think for me, a guitarist can play whatever... but putting a drummer behind an ekit has to be the most emasculating action one can inflict on a drummer.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Our drummer asked about in ear monitors the other practice and would probably be down for it? For me; I started using modeling because I had fun with it, not because we were too loud. If anything; I've added analog back in the mix so I can be loud too

 

[GuitarBilly74]

curious of the answer here as well.

i think for me, a guitarist can play whatever... but putting a drummer behind an ekit has to be the most emasculating action one can inflict on a drummer.

How so?

 

[ian_dissonance]

Why not switch the drums to e-kits too? Seems like that would be the biggest rig and loudest source of stage volume. And e-drums sound pretty good these days, I think.

Genuinely curious, not trolling.

If I could convince my drummers to do it I’d be stoked. The order of willingness to try new stuff goes Vocalist -> Bassist -> Guitarist ————-> drummers.

 

[JCW308]

We are sticking with analog drums but we still have a silent stage. We just use baffles for the drums and it works very well.

 

[ian_dissonance]

How so?

No actual reason, surely, just a “feeling”.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

No actual reason, surely, just a “feeling”.

But a lot of guitarists have that same feeling when they don't have an amp behind them.

I get that no one wants a kit that looks like they're hitting Mickey Mouse ears. But you can get some "real" looking kits these days.

I actually have one in my studio. We use Superior Drummer for our records drum sounds but with real playing (no programming). So I put together an e-kit that looks and feels kinda close to a real one.



Why would playing something like this be emasculating to a drummer?

 

[EOengineer]

Why not switch the drums to e-kits too? Seems like that would be the biggest rig and loudest source of stage volume. And e-drums sound pretty good these days, I think.

Genuinely curious, not trolling.

Because drummers are whiny bitches who can’t possibly fathom playing on something that isn’t a million db at all times.

Context:
In a band that rehearses completely silently every week with an E-Kit and modelers. The Drummer has learned to live with it but it’s still a PITA. He’s usually bitching about cymbal feel or it missing a ghost note here or there. We use SD3 so it sounds baller. I’m still chipping away at getting him to play it out for shows.

I get annoyed at the shortsightedness and general acceptance of lack of innovation in the drum world. My Les Paul doesn’t feel like a Martin acoustic when I play it. I didn’t throw the Gibson away. I discovered I could play it differently and it opened a whole new world of possibilities creatively.

 

[EOengineer]

But a lot of guitarists have that same feeling when they don't have an amp behind them.

I get that no one wants a kit that looks like they're hitting Mickey Mouse ears. But you can get some "real" looking kits these days.

I actually have one in my studio. We use Superior Drummer for our records drum sounds but with real playing (no programming). So I put together an e-kit that looks and feels kinda close to a real one.



Why would playing something like this be emasculating to a drummer?

Literally the same thing I’ve got going on. Using Roland PD pads and a mixture of Roland and Yamaha cymbals - Edrummin 10 for the brain with SD3. It’s pretty awesome.

I started here with a conversion but the triggers were all over the place.

 

[newholland]

But a lot of guitarists have that same feeling when they don't have an amp behind them.

I get that no one wants a kit that looks like they're hitting Mickey Mouse ears. But you can get some "real" looking kits these days.

I actually have one in my studio. We use Superior Drummer for our records drum sounds but with real playing (no programming). So I put together an e-kit that looks and feels kinda close to a real one.



Why would playing something like this be emasculating to a drummer?

that, in fact, rules, for an ekit. traditional pads or meshtop thangies, much less so.

How so?

oh- meantime, im not 100% agreeing with the fact- just stating what id suspect to be truth. ive come to adapt to smaller amps- and definitely miss BIG LOUD... but it would be hard to adapt to removing the physics of an instrument. like, physically, i could play a guitar neck with nylon strings, and make the same chords sland play the strings- but itd feel super different than heads and shells.. and the lack of physical feedback would be disorienting in the same way, id think.

not to say its impossible.. but a guitarist being asked to play their solos on a kazoo might rebel a little

 

[sleewell]

a) i dont know a lot of drummers that can afford a good acoustic and e kit hahahaha

b) lots of bands dont use modelers just for silent stages. touring bands use them to save money on freight.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

a) i dont know a lot of drummers that can afford a good acoustic and e kit hahahaha

b) lots of bands dont use modelers just for silent stages. touring bands use them to save money on freight.

Wouldn't replacing the drums with an ekit also save on freight? They're much lighter too.

 

[paisleywookiee]

We're using eDrums for at least practice, and it's glorious. So much less fatiguing, and recording is super easy. I know why eDrums bug drummers, and I get it. But seriously, acoustic drums are such a loud PITA, even with a dynamic drummer.

 

[EOengineer]

We're using eDrums for at least practice, and it's glorious. So much less fatiguing, and recording is super easy. I know why eDrums bug drummers, and I get it. But seriously, acoustic drums are such a loud PITA, even with a dynamic drummer.

If they spent 1/100th of the time trying to innovate instead of just bitching there would probably be even more natural options out there too.

I think most of the work to be done is in the cymbals. With the advent of entire sub $100 low volume cymbal sets on Amazon I think we’re very very close to seeing a blending of that technology to bridge the gap. The low volume drum heads are neat too but basically just mesh heads with a small path of Mylar or whatever.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

But a lot of guitarists have that same feeling when they don't have an amp behind them.

I get that no one wants a kit that looks like they're hitting Mickey Mouse ears. But you can get some "real" looking kits these days.

I actually have one in my studio. We use Superior Drummer for our records drum sounds but with real playing (no programming). So I put together an e-kit that looks and feels kinda close to a real one.



Why would playing something like this be emasculating to a drummer?

Now that they are making e-kits that look like acoustic kits, I imagine it will become more common. I’ve gotta say, there is just something weirder about watching a band with a drummer hitting pads instead of things that look like drums/cymbals.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Now that they are making e-kits that look like acoustic kits, I imagine it will become more common. I’ve gotta say, there is just something weirder about watching a band with a drummer hitting pads instead of things that look like drums/cymbals.

Yeah, our kit is one of the Alesis ones, and even with the mesh pads and such, it still looks goofy.

 

[sleewell]

Wouldn't replacing the drums with an ekit also save on freight? They're much lighter too.

ya i dunno, maybe they dont think they sound or feel as good

 

[AFKAEjay(retired)]

I played in a band that used an ekit for years….and hated it. (As a guitarplayer in that band)
Mostly large stages, big fat PA stacks, all the monitoring on stage one could hope for.

It was fine at foh, but it sucks on stage imo. Drums through a wedge is awfull compared to a real kit.
All the glue for a nice stage sound is gone.
Same effect as guitarsound through a wedge…but magnified 10x

On iem maybe the effect is less dramatic…
Maybe its a for loud drummers…but id rather see that fixed with a drummer that controls his volume.