Potential Mesa Reissues? IIC+ and Dual Rec

la szum said:
I am reading this on the Internet, though. :unsure:




:rofl
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JiveTurkey said:
My biggest Mesa fear is if something goes wrong; there are no techs closeby. Other than the turd about an hour and a half away who, right after COVID; stated he would purposely push Mesa warranty repair work to the back of his pile.



:poop::poop::poop:
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We have an awesome local tech, really old timer guy that's been repairing tube amps since the dawn of time. Nothing gets him going on a rant more than bringing up Mesa.
 
Fortunate to live in an area with no shortage of good techs

I make it a point to avoid the ones that complain about mesa too much personally. But I realize not everyone has that luxury
 
When I opened my Mark IV chassis to send to Mesa I took a peak in and kinda see why he feels that way! What a rat's nest. :rofl
 
The thread at TOP is just a dumpster fire at this point with one dude that - by his own admission has never played a tube amp period much less a mark - railing on and on about the "squeal problem" for pages on end :rofl
 
spawnofthesith said:
The thread at TOP is just a dumpster fire at this point with one dude that - by his own admission has never played a tube amp period much less a mark - railing on and on about the "squeal problem" for pages on end :rofl
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“Hey when I turn the gain, volume, treble, and master knobs all the way up the amp is noisy. What the hell MESA!!!”

One of these days he’s going to figure out gain staging and noise gates.
 
My $.02 for whatever it’s worth at this point. I like what I’ve heard from this amp from people who actually dial it in. I didn’t mind some of the TGP-audience tones as the Marks can be pretty damn versatile in the right hands. The IIC+, III and IV can do more than just metal. Of course when heavy tones are the main course of the amp you expect to hear them.

Now on to the construction. I ain’t gonna talk shit about the amp because I know Mesa’s build techniques have evolved a bit since the 1980s. And depending on who you talk to, they’ve never been built well. They’ve always been overbuilt and disasters for techs to work on. In the case of this amp I do have some qualms with some build choices. Mainly some of the ribbon cables and molex connectors. I would expect that Mesa is using high quality stuff here as they’ve used it in recent amps pre-Gibson with seemingly no issues related to these things that I’m aware of. At the same time, this is supposed to be a reissue so I would have expected the wiring to be closer to how it was done in 1983/1984 especially for the price paid. Some hardpoint soldering and flying leads wouldn’t have been the of the end world. Hell, folks flipped out when Marshall and reissued with the 1959 with modern wiring and everyone pitched a fit until they got the HW version for a while. For what the cost of this amp is I would have thought more parts of it would have had flying leads like the originals did. Just my thoughts. I know the old amps had pc boards. In fact, Mesa used to etch their own back in the day. At the same time, I expect that current Mesa PC boards are high quality so I don’t see that itself being the issue.

As to the oscillation thing: I don’t have an amp to test but I don’t doubt folks posting it. Unless they’re doing dumb shit like putting everything on 10. It is weird that it seems to be happening and users with OGs aren’t having the issues at similar settings despite the feedback from Mesa. Not exactly confidence inspiring. Unfortunately a lot of things can cause parasitic oscillations including something as simple as lead dress. I’m not a tech or the designer on this version.

This isn’t to say I hate the amp. I actually like it a lot! I actually prefer the old Marks that have the multiple volume and cascaded gain controls. I loved how I could fine tune and dial in my IV on the lead channel and I felt like I lost some of that with the V. I want this amp to be a success and hopefully Mesa can get the oscillation stuff sorted instead of doubling down on it. Extreme settings? Yeah I get that. Even my Egnater seminar amp will do that with everything on 10. You’re squeezing a ton of gain out of two preamp tubes without a cold clipper the 2nd gain stage (not counting the loop tube and pi). It’ll oscillate. If it’s not extreme settings though then I question what’s going on with components, board design, etc.
 
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greatmutah said:
My $.02 for whatever it’s worth at this point. I like what I’ve heard from this amp from people who actually dial it in. I didn’t mind some of the TGP-audience tones as the Marks can be pretty damn versatile in the right hands. The IIC+, III and IV can do more than just metal. Of course when heavy tones are the main course of the amp you expect to hear them.

Now on to the construction. I ain’t gonna talk shit about the amp because I know Mesa’s build techniques have evolved a bit since the 1980s. And depending on who you talk to, they’ve never been built well. They’ve always been overbuilt and disasters for techs to work on. In the case of this amp I do have some qualms with some build choices. Mainly some of the ribbon cables and molex connectors. I would expect that Mesa is using high quality stuff here as they’ve used it in recent amps pre-Gibson with seemingly no issues related to these things that I’m aware of. At the same time, this is supposed to be a reissue so I would have expected the wiring to be closer to how it was done in 1983/1984 especially for the price paid. Some hardpoint soldering and flying leads wouldn’t have been the of the end world. Hell, folks flipped out when Marshall and reissued with the 1959 with modern wiring and everyone pitched a fit until they got the HW version for a while. For what the cost of this amp is I would have thought more parts of it would have had flying leads like the originals did. Just my thoughts. I know the old amps had pc boards. In fact, Mesa used to etch their own back in the day. At the same time, I expect that current Mesa PC boards are high quality so I don’t see that itself being the issue.

As to the oscillation thing: I don’t have an amp to test but I don’t doubt folks posting it. It is weird that it seems to be happening and users with OGs aren’t having the issues at similar settings despite the feedback from Mesa. Not exactly confidence inspiring. Unfortunately a lot of things can cause parasitic oscillations including something as simple as lead dress. I’m not a tech or the designer on this version.

This isn’t to say I hate the amp. I actually like it a lot! I actually prefer the old Marks that have the multiple volume and cascaded gain controls. I loved how I could fine tune and dial in my IV on the lead channel and I felt like I lost some of that with the V. I want this amp to be a success and hopefully Mesa can get the oscillation stuff sorted instead of doubling down on it. Extreme settings? Yeah I get that. Even my Egnater seminar amp will do that with everything on 10. You’re squeezing a ton of gain out of two preamp tubes without a cold clipper the 2nd gain stage (not counting the loop tube and pi). It’ll oscillate. If it’s not extreme settings though then I question what’s going on with components, board design, etc.
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Fast forward 15 years:

“The oscillating reissues are THE ONES TO OWN…”
 
DrewJD82 said:
Not trying to be rude here, but they need to get a dude who knows why that amp has the rep it has and can actually put it through its paces. Why is this dude so involved with these demo videos?!
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I was wondering the same thing. Get rid of that dude.
 
I actually didn’t realize that Dinesh was already a Mesa employee for a few years prior to the acquisition. I thought he came with Gibson lol
 
Tell Hetfield they’ll donate a percentage of each amp sold to a charity of his choice for the first year if he makes a 5 minute video demo’ing the amp. No speaking, just him playing through it.


Then get Petrucci to do one of his regular Mesa vids he’s done for years. He had no problem tweaking a Mark VII in that Beato vid and demonstrating it for him, well after the JPIIC was out.

I know it’s cliche to bring those dudes up, but come on, if it weren’t for Hetfield and Petrucci there wouldn’t even have been enough requests for a reissue to bother making the damn thing.
 
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