Potential Mesa Reissues? IIC+ and Dual Rec

[EOengineer]

Interesting. The IIC+ did have some unusual behaviors that weren’t by design related to parasitic capacitance in the board or layout - my memory is cloudy on this so I don’t want to spread misinformation.

I wonder if Gibson tried to reproduce that and went overboard. Or reproduced it but modern tubes and components are handling it differently.

 

[DrewJD82]

I remember reading that post on FB about the squealing and my eyes were rolling before I finished reading the post.

I think there's probably more enticement to be the guy who found an issue with a Gibson-launched product than there is to be the guy who does the best demo of it. The gear world has certainly flipped from "Oh man, I have to check that out in person!" to "Before I try this out, I want to talk about all the ways it might suck based off videos on the internet"

 

[JiveTurkey]

I remember reading that post on FB about the squealing and my eyes were rolling before I finished reading the post.

I think there's probably more enticement to be the guy who found an issue with a Gibson-launched product than there is to be the guy who does the best demo of it. The gear world has certainly flipped from "Oh man, I have to check that out in person!" to "Before I try this out, I want to talk about all the ways it might suck based off videos on the internet"

Kind of related to this thought process, I know as a chronic gearjunkie; I get HUGE spats of guilt when buying something from time to time. A $3,600 amp is going to trigger that in me something FIERCE, no matter if I can afford it or need it. So I can also see going "ok; let's make sure this amp doesn't have any issues before I settle in with this big of an 'investment'."

 

[DrewJD82]

Kind of related to this thought process, I know as a chronic gearjunkie; I get HUGE spats of guilt when buying something from time to time. A $3,600 amp is going to trigger that in me something FIERCE, no matter if I can afford it or need it. So I can also see going "ok; let's make sure this amp doesn't have any issues before I settle in with this big of an 'investment'."

That I can understand, my comment was more in regard to "It's Gibson it has to be fucked up" and "There's no way they recreated the original amp, something has to be wrong with it" mentalities.

 

[Desertdweller]

That I can understand, my comment was more in regard to "It's Gibson it has to be fucked up" and "There's no way they recreated the original amp, something has to be wrong with it" mentalities.

I've bought 2 brand new Mesa amps since the Gibson takeover. Both are made like tanks, sound amazing, and are every bit as high quality as ever for the brand.

 

[spawnofthesith]

I can’t wrap my ahead around the folks that seem to think it’s suddenly not (mostly) all the same folks designing/building the amps as it was pre Gibson

 

[paisleywookiee]

I can’t wrap my ahead around the folks that seem to think it’s suddenly not (mostly) all the same folks designing/building the amps as it was pre Gibson

Because they're either dumb or uninformed, and like to perpetuate stuff they read on the Internet.

 

[Blix]

Speaking of Rectifiers, one dude on TGP is selling Sykes old one, apparently JS bought two of them in 1994, one for his touring rack seen here:

And the other one for his studio, the one for sale...

 

[spawnofthesith]

I wonder if there will be a bunch of “open box” deals on returned RIs with the “squealing problem”

 

[EOengineer]

Given the state of tubes these days it’s probably just microphonic 12ax7s. I’ve had a slew of them recently.

 

[Desertdweller]

Given the state of tubes these days it’s probably just microphonic 12ax7s. I’ve had a slew of them recently.

Agreed. I have had 2 in the last 5 years. Never had any before.

 

[BHamby]

Given the state of tubes these days it’s probably just microphonic 12ax7s. I’ve had a slew of them recently.

It’s oscillation. The one video is mine and I rolled preamp tubes through that I knew where good with no change. I also talked to Mesa and they said it’s normal for the amp with higher settings.

 

[EOengineer]

It’s oscillation. The one video is mine and I rolled preamp tubes through that I knew where good with no change. I also talked to Mesa and they said it’s normal for the amp with higher settings.

That’s an expensive oscillator.

 

[ZEN Amps]

I can’t wrap my ahead around the folks that seem to think it’s suddenly not (mostly) all the same folks designing/building the amps as it was pre Gibson

I think most reasonable people understand this. What you're discounting is the huge effect ownership and management can have on the products a company produces.

I'm not claiming Gibson have screwed up the Mesa brand (or are going to), but you have to concede similar things have happened many times before. So I can understand why some folks have concerns, when you consider it from that perspective.

 

[James Freeman]

WHY GIbson WHY ?!

 

[Mongillo19]

WHY GIbson WHY ?!

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Maybe explain this to the neanderthals amongst us (like me)

 

[Elf]

WHY GIbson WHY ?!

I think they used the same connectosr with the GIBSON FALCON Reissue.

Picture from Reddit reference from this video

 

[SonVolt]

WHY GIbson WHY ?!

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Why what?

 

[James Freeman]

I think they used the same connectosr with the GIBSON FALCON Reissue.
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Picture from Reddit reference from this video

Yep, the PCB and wiring looks exactly like this "GIBSON BRANDS" on the Falcon reissue above, with top soldering wires and solder-less push-in connectors on the high current POWER lines no less.

 

[la szum]

Because they're either dumb or uninformed, and like to perpetuate stuff they read on the Internet.

I am reading this on the Internet, though.