Potential Mesa Reissues? IIC+ and Dual Rec

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paisleywookiee said:
Eh, yes and no. People have been wanting a real IIC+ reissue for while now, and most people say the IIC+ modes on the V and VII ain't it, nor is even the JP-2C. Personally, I'll take a VII for the same amount of money, but whatever. Maybe the IIC+ RI will blow my socks off, I dunno.

However, if this were purely a money grab, it'd be twice as much. Look how much Gibson charges for those Murphy Lab turds?
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Not disagreeing with you. Without knowing a price, I figured they would price them high, and the frenzy might make the prices even higher, due to very low production. And yes, that’s part of why I said that, because I know there would be a huge demand for a true Mark IIC+ reissue.

A true re-issue would be simpler ( and cheaper) to build than a mark five or Mark seven. If Mike B built or at least tuned them, they could make a true reissue and sell thousands of them at a reasonable price. I don’t see that happening.

And I had a mark five and agree with you that the IIC+ in it was not a “grail” amp.
 
Badonkey Kong said:
I have no experience with the OG IIC+ (unless my Synergy module counts, lol) but having had a V25, the big difference is the ability to fine tune the gain structure using the cascading clean channel input stage, which seems to maybe give a wider variety of tonal options than the V and VII? Can those in the know chime in on this?
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the biggest thing you loose with the Mark V and up is the gain 1 bright cap, the lower you run gain 1 the higher the resulting high pass gets, gain 2 can still slam that thin tone, treble knob can slam that laser into the rest of the gain stages, bass knob can trickle in just a little bottom in to round it back out. where they fix gain 1 at a "sane" middle ground and just give you the single gain control, to me it's giving up over half of the tonal options you have with studio/quad/triaxis/II/III/IV. there's so many shades between 1 and 5 on gain 1 with the bright cap, I need that bright cap on vol 1, i put all the low end back in with the 80 hz slider. post gain.
 
0XI0 said:
the biggest thing you loose with the Mark V and up is the gain 1 bright cap, the lower you run gain 1 the higher the resulting high pass gets, gain 2 can still slam that thin tone, treble knob can slam that laser into the rest of the gain stages, bass knob can trickle in just a little bottom in to round it back out. where they fix gain 1 at a "sane" middle ground and just give you the single gain control, to me it's giving up over half of the tonal options you have with studio/quad/triaxis/II/III/IV. there's so many shades between 1 and 5 on gain 1 with the bright cap, I need that bright cap on vol 1, i put all the low end back in with the 80 hz slider. post gain.
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Totally agree. I still like Mark amps but I’ve been critical about the lack of two gain controls and how much that reduces the adjustability of the Mark Lead channel since the Mark V was first introduced.

Something else I’ve been thinking about regarding the IIC+ reissue is how it will compare to not just the Mark VII’s IIC+ mode, but the Mark VII’s IV mode as well. In the Mark VII, the IV mode is obviously gained up and more modern sounding than its IIC+ mode… but I’m wondering how the IIC+ reissue would compare to the Mark VII’s Mark IV mode, considering the IIC+ reissue will let you dime both gain controls, while the Mark VII’s Mark IV mode essentially locks one of the gain controls to some internal hard wired value.

Actually here’s a question… does anybody know the schematic differences between the Mark VII’s Mark IIC+ and IV modes? I’m pretty sure they both use the same number of gain stages. Is the IV mode just a IIC+ mode with more gain or are the two modes fundamentally different? If you could turn up that hidden gain knob in the Mark VII’s IIC+ mode, how close could you get to the IV mode?


edit: that’s a lot of words and confusing references. Basically I’m asking “I wonder how close the IIC+ reissue can get to the VII’s Mark IV mode, considering the IIC+ reissue will have two gain knobs you can max out.”
 
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Doesn't the Mark VII have fewer preamp tubes than the Mark V, but more gain-staging?

VII Mode has a 5th gain stage created with some kind of Black Magik! :LOL:

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la szum said:
Doesn't the Mark VII have fewer preamp tubes than the Mark V, but more gain-staging?

VII Mode has a 5th gain stage created with some kind of Black Magik! :LOL:
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That's interesting because VII mode is a muddy crunch sound, not really a searing Mark style gain sound. I would never crank the gain on it or use it like the modes on channel 3. To me, it's either a crunch sound, or it's good with an OD out front as a lead sound. It's just not tight enough to compete with IIC and IV modes, though it can decently replicate a recto-ish sound, just not as good as a recto IMO.
 
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