Potential Mesa Reissues? IIC+ and Dual Rec

[paisleywookiee]

Exactly! Not a hater, but unless Mike B is building these, I wouldn't trust them to get it right anyway, but to do this in that limited of quantities is 100% money grab, IMO.

Eh, yes and no. People have been wanting a real IIC+ reissue for while now, and most people say the IIC+ modes on the V and VII ain't it, nor is even the JP-2C. Personally, I'll take a VII for the same amount of money, but whatever. Maybe the IIC+ RI will blow my socks off, I dunno.

However, if this were purely a money grab, it'd be twice as much. Look how much Gibson charges for those Murphy Lab turds?

 

[Orvillain]

Eh, yes and no. People have been wanting a real IIC+ reissue for while now, and most people say the IIC+ modes on the V and VII ain't it, nor is even the JP-2C. Personally, I'll take a VII for the same amount of money, but whatever. Maybe the IIC+ RI will blow my socks off, I dunno.

I've not used a proper IIC+ but I struggle to believe that the V and VII don't cover that sound. The IIC+ and IV modes on channel 3 on the Mark V blow pretty much every other amp I have out of the water. I'm seriously in love with this amp.

 

[SonVolt]

I've not used a proper IIC+ but I struggle to believe that the V and VII don't cover that sound. The IIC+ and IV modes on channel 3 on the Mark V blow pretty much every other amp I have out of the water. I'm seriously in love with this amp.

What's the saying.... ignorance is bliss? I felt the same way about my V:90 until I stumbled on an old used Mark IV sitting in the used gear section of a local music shop. The difference in aggression, rawness and feel of the Lead channel wasn't subtle. It was significant. I sold my V not long after.

That said, everything else about the Mark V was superior... clean, crunch, versatility (etc)

 

[Orvillain]

What's the saying.... ignorance is bliss? I felt the same way about my V:90 until I stumbled on an old used Mark IV sitting in the used gear section of a local music shop. The difference in aggression, rawness and feel of the Lead channel wasn't subtle. It was significant. I sold my V not long after.

That said, everything else about the Mark V was superior... clean, crunch, versatility (etc)

Every clip I've ever heard of the III and IV, compared to the V, I preferred the V. I mean, clips don't tell you everything of course.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Uh oh.

 

[SonVolt]

Every clip I've ever heard of the III and IV, compared to the V, I preferred the V. I mean, clips don't tell you everything of course.

I'm sure I couldn't pick one from the other in a recording. But in the room it was night and day.

 

[Orvillain]

Uh oh.

 

[EOengineer]

I've not used a proper IIC+ but I struggle to believe that the V and VII don't cover that sound. The IIC+ and IV modes on channel 3 on the Mark V blow pretty much every other amp I have out of the water. I'm seriously in love with this amp.

It’s hard to have these conversations without sounding like a detractor of one amp vs another. There are differences. I’m not sure the audience would care or notice.

As an example - my Studio Preamp (let’s say IIC-ish) and Mark III have LOTS of overlap. However, they don’t exactly do the same things the same way.

The Studio Preamp gets crushing high gain, but it’s fatter, saggier, and smoother than the III. The III is more compressed, sharper, grainier, and IMO somewhat more aggressive. The IIC vibe has a little more identifiable vintage fender going on. The III seems like it is a refinement of that, perhaps stepping into something new.

None of this probably helps you.

 

[EOengineer]

This will really piss some purists off but Line 6 nailed the IIC+ in the PODxt line back in the day. That model with an external IR and GEQ got way closer than I would have expected them to get. You even had to use the whacky settings to get the real tight/heavy stuff.

 

[la szum]

Wow. There are some hotter than hot takes up in this thread.

You guys ok?

 

[spawnofthesith]

Exactly! Not a hater, but unless Mike B is building these, I wouldn't trust them to get it right anyway, but to do this in that limited of quantities is 100% money grab, IMO.

I doubt he's back there building all of them buy himself lol

However, I was just emailing back and forth with him a few days ago, hes still there and staying quite busy too

 

[JiveTurkey]

Uhoh

 

[Orvillain]

ohfuckinghelluhhhhohhhhh!

 

[spawnofthesith]

 

[paisleywookiee]

I've not used a proper IIC+ but I struggle to believe that the V and VII don't cover that sound. The IIC+ and IV modes on channel 3 on the Mark V blow pretty much every other amp I have out of the water. I'm seriously in love with this amp.

I'm on the same page, for sure. But there will always be corksniffers that insist it ain't the same.

 

[spawnofthesith]

I was recently watching a Mark V vs IIC+ blind test on youtube. One of them sounded markedly better to me, so I assumed that one was the IIC+. Watched the reveal video and my pick was the V


Of course blind youtube tests don't actually mean a whole lot when it comes to reality either imo

 

[Elric]

Eh, yes and no. People have been wanting a real IIC+ reissue for while now, and most people say the IIC+ modes on the V and VII ain't it, nor is even the JP-2C. Personally, I'll take a VII for the same amount of money, but whatever. Maybe the IIC+ RI will blow my socks off, I dunno.

The irony is the same people asking for the reissue will likely get this and claim it doesn't sound like the original, if history is any guide here. Or claim that some other variant, i.e. a IIC++ or some other thing, is the real grail. LOL.

 

[paisleywookiee]

The irony is the same people asking for the reissue will likely get this and claim it doesn't sound like the original, if history is any guide here. Or claim that some other variant, i.e. a IIC++ or some other thing, is the real grail. LOL.

These are the same people on forums and FB groups that claim to be massive fans of the brand, but haven't bought a damn thing since 1985, and bad mouth everything new that comes out. Way to show your support for the brand!

Not to say Mesa is infallible, ESPECIALLY now with Gibson. But come on.

 

[spawnofthesith]

These are the same people on forums and FB groups that claim to be massive fans of the brand, but haven't bought a damn thing since 1985, and bad mouth everything new that comes out. Way to show your support for the brand!

Not to say Mesa is infallible, ESPECIALLY now with Gibson. But come on.

Yeah people have always been ragging on anything thats not a recto or a mark. And even if it is a recto or a Mark if it came out after the 90s tops they still rag on it lol


So frankly reissuing an old recto and mark seems pretty smart move tbh


Even though "they" will still hate it

 

[Desertdweller]

I've not used a proper IIC+ but I struggle to believe that the V and VII don't cover that sound. The IIC+ and IV modes on channel 3 on the Mark V blow pretty much every other amp I have out of the water. I'm seriously in love with this amp.

As someone who’s owned 2 Triaxis’, a Mark III, a JP2C, Mark V25 and V35, and a VII, these amps are way closer than anyone online will give credit.

While I haven’t played a OG IIC+, from my experiences the VII is the ultimate Mark amp until proven otherwise IMO, and I don’t think I’d ever sell my Mark III.