Ok, time to solve this problem

[deadpool_25]

Those graphs have nothing to do with the response of the speaker that you will hear when you play through it. WKSmith does not know how to test loudspeakers.

Okay well IDGAF. He knows how to make a preamp sound great.

 

[metropolis_4]

Also, for some context, what I’m using now is a cheap Alto TX210 so the bar is low

That thing has a weird midrange, so little high end that the 8k and 16k sliders on my EQ barely make an audible difference, and so much low end that cutting everything below 100db by -12db still leaves it sounding huge and boomy

 

[Stone]

Also, for some context, what I’m using now is a cheap Alto TX210 so the bar is low

That thing has a weird midrange, so little high end that the 8k and 16k sliders on my EQ barely make an audible difference, and so much low end that cutting everything below 100db by -12db still leaves it sounding huge and boomy

Yes its the Norm for those although on poles you can eliminate some of that boomines

Have you looked at the EV offerings, they are wedges but not made of cheap plastic either and for me i just love Coaxial speakers

Electro-Voice PXM-12MP Powered Coaxial Monitor

One Caveat you may not like though is the onboard DSP with tetrahedron's n'shit ​

 

[jay mitchell]

Okay well IDGAF.

Then what's the point of linking the graphs?

He knows how to make a preamp sound great.

Do you think that represents a challenge to someone with EE chops?

FYI, his main brag is the ability to design low-noise preamps. While that does require some technical expertise, it's not as if there aren't thousands of other engineers who can do likewise, if assigned that as a task.

 

[unix-guy]

From what I hear the Hiss is well exaggerated yes its there, strum a few chords and presto it gone lol

If that was the case then why did Fender fix it and why are they offering a fix to customers that are affected? That's not cheap...

 

[sashimi]

I’m not looking for true pure ""FRFR"", I’m looking for something that sounds more… “natural”… in the room for electric guitar.

I hate to use the term but I guess I’m looking for something closer to “Amp where I'm at”.

So the Fender not being true ""FRFR"" doesn’t bother me. I’m just interested in how it sounds for electric guitar.

Also I know none of the solutions are perfect. I’m not looking for perfection here, just something that is going to be an improvement to what I’m doing now

It’s kind of funny that with all of the many complaints about modelers through "FRFR" speakers missing the ‘amp in the room’ sound, out come the fender FR cabs which are clearly designed for electric guitar specifically to recreate some of that app in the room sound, and then people complain that they’re not "FRFR" enough. Well duh, if true "FRFR" was most ideal, then people wouldn’t be complaining about the sound of their modelers through studio monitors not being amp in the room enough.

 

[Stone]

If that was the case then why did Fender fix it and why are they offering a fix to customers that are affected? That's not cheap...

because many complained, and it was an obvious design flaw

 

[deathbyguitar]

Yes its the Norm for those although on poles you can eliminate some of that boomines

Have you looked at the EV offerings, they are wedges but not made of cheap plastic either and for me i just love Coaxial speakers

Electro-Voice PXM-12MP Powered Coaxial Monitor​

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One Caveat you may not like though is the onboard DSP with tetrahedron's n'shit ​

I tried this side by side with the Yamaha DHR12M. They both sounded about the same (both excellent) but the Yamaha was a bit cheaper and lacked the EV's bells and whistles that I didn't want anyway. I was so enamored with the Yamaha that I bought 4 of them.

Again, if you haven't tried coaxial monitors, you haven't tried good "FRFR". I predict trying either one of them will make you reevaluate this whole situation.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I play guitar synth through mine every time I gig it. It sounds great.

Bass Trumpet. In the room.

 

[jay mitchell]

I don’t think people like how the fender FRs sound because they say fender on them. I think they like how they sound because they are constructed like a guitar speaker cabinet, and they respond more like one than a plastic PA speaker.

Have you not noticed that lots of PA speakers and wedges aren't plastic?

 

[pipelineaudio]

I play guitar synth through mine every time I gig it. It sounds great.

Which is why I'm betting its like any other "FRFR" and people are going full Koolaid because it says "fender" on it. Its like when all the whackaloons went crazy over a TheSycon.de interface that had "SSL" printed on the faceplate

 

[pipelineaudio]

Actually, it didn’t sound awful at all, it sounded great with every IR I ran into it, and can be made to be relatively flat via the tone knobs. Plenty of people agree, overwhelmingly positive reviews.

Then at best, any supposed magical uniqueeeness is just God of the Gaps claims

 

[pipelineaudio]

Also, for some context, what I’m using now is a cheap Alto TX210 so the bar is low

That thing has a weird midrange, so little high end that the 8k and 16k sliders on my EQ barely make an audible difference, and so much low end that cutting everything below 100db by -12db still leaves it sounding huge and boomy

Meanwhile the TS version of that speaker is thoroughly awesome, aside from that it isn't coax. I have TS210, TS310 and TS410, alongside both variations of Celestions cabinets for the FX12 series speakers (both the wedge and the square box), Celstion FX12s in Fender Mustang amps thru the FX loop, Turbosounds, borrow an Atomic sometimes, L6 powercab, QSC and Yamahas and I'm sure a few I'm forgetting. For guitar they're all pretty kickass. For playing bass, it seems like the heavier backbreaking speakers seem to let you get woofier, especially the turbosound and the QSC

 

[pipelineaudio]

I tried this side by side with the Yamaha DHR12M.

That looks awesome! Slightly lighter than the Turbosound.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Which is why I'm betting its like any other ""FRFR"" and people are going full Koolaid because it says "fender" on it. Its like when all the whackaloons went crazy over a TheSycon.de interface that had "SSL" printed on the faceplate

Speaking for myself; I like the Mustang GT as a cheap powered monitor. This is sort of an advancement of that thought process. If anything; the fact that it says Fender and looks like a combo amp I would never in a billion years aesthetically gravitate towards means I would normally keep far away from it.

 

[deathbyguitar]

I need to make a review video for these things soon. For forum postings such as this.

 

[deadpool_25]

Saw those graphs, very well done for sure,But yeah the FR is designed more as a guitar cab than a ""FRFR"" as can tell by the settings it is a darker voiced cab
which i would agree most will prefer a Guitar centric voiced cabinet
Does the Angel Mod flaten things up more ? or is only a noise cut ?

The V2 started out to just fix the hiss iirc. Then he identified some other issues with the stock preamp such as it doesn't have phantom power protection and its phase reversed I think. So the V2 addressed those as well. But he agreed the stock preamp actually sounded very good even with those issues so he built the V2 to be very like stock in its response curves. Bothe the stock FR-12 and one with his V2 can be dialed to be flatter than stock. At least that's how I remember it.

 

[pipelineaudio]

What does "more of a guitar cab mean" other than changing the frequency balance of what is coming in on purpose? I challenge anyone ever to show me an EQ change that will ALWAYS sound better, even on as narrow a range as distorted electric guitar.

Even that most evil of all frequencies, 315hz, cannot just be attenuated willy nilly, for instance if there's an impulse being presented that has already severely attenuated 315hz.

This is seriously at best just the Deepak OpraChoprah quote generating machine

 

[jay mitchell]

The V2 started out to just fix the hiss iirc. Then he identified some other issues with the stock preamp such as it doesn't have phantom power protection and its phase reversed I think.

If the remainder of the system is also "phase reversed," then "correcting" the preamp will cause the system to become "phase reversed." If you can't measure loudspeaker phase vs. frequency accurately (he can't), then there is no way to know whether the preamp needs to have positive or negative polarity (the correct term).

 

[Piing]

I've never heard a keyboard player complaining that playing his piano samples through his stage amp does not feel like his grand piano at the concert hall. He just adds a Hall Reverb
Maybe they are more technically clever than most guitarists. Many of us are full of esoteric BS about tone, or get option paralysis whith more than 3 knobs, or complain about a bright bright pickup and ask for a pickup replacement reccomendation without even touching the guitar's tone knob, blaming the type of wood, the fretboard material, nitro vs lacker, or the oil finish on the neck.