Ok, time to solve this problem

pipelineaudio said:
There's nothing magic about an ""FRFR"" just because it says "fender" on it. Its like the salseman at bestbuy telling you Marshall headphones make rock sound better because they say "Marshall" on them. Or that somehow slapping the name "Neve" on a standard TheSycon.de audio interface somehow makes it magic.

In fact that usually puts them BEHIND the curve...See Apogee's first forays into interfaces for instance.

We've already seen that in at least the noise parameter Fender is not better but worse than most of the cheapies
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I don’t think people like how the fender FRs sound because they say fender on them. I think they like how they sound because they are constructed like a guitar speaker cabinet, and they respond more like one than a plastic PA speaker.
 
sashimi said:
I don’t think people like how the fender FRs sound because they say fender on them. I think they like how they sound because they are constructed like a guitar speaker cabinet, and they respond more like one than a plastic PA speaker.
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This would be really easy to show on a graph, but also would completely wreck the point of it being an "FRFR", also Jim Lil's video on the subject shows that really, no, it won't have much effect anyway, had it actually been true
 
metropolis_4 said:
I know, but there are differences in how all of them sound. And mine’s not working for me and someone who’s opinion I trust says this one is working for them so it might be worth trying it out and see if it works better for me then the one I have now
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As someone else stated above, you might be way happier with a coax style, not sure if the Fender one is, but the Turbosound and the Celestion "FRFR" speakers are made this way. Its WAY better to me...If I'm far enough away, a traditional wedge is ok, but when you are up close (and especially off axis) the coax speaker just "feels" (uh oh) way way way more like a single guitar speaker to me
 
pipelineaudio said:
As someone else stated above, you might be way happier with a coax style, not sure if the Fender one is, but the Turbosound and the Celestion ""FRFR"" speakers are made this way. Its WAY better to me...If I'm far enough away, a traditional wedge is ok, but when you are up close (and especially off axis) the coax speaker just "feels" (uh oh) way way way more like a single guitar speaker to me
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Fender is not coax. It does a much better job than some monitors where the separation is extremely apparent.
 
The Fender FR-12 was awesome right out of the box. I didn't notice the hiss until people started bitching about it because I was standing like 10 feet away from it. Then I did hear it and once I did I wanted it gone. Still, it wasn't that bad imo. And mine was an original before they "fixed" it. Regardless, I got Liam's Archangel V2 preamp and the FR-12 went from fucking excellent to fucking amazing IMO.
 
pipelineaudio said:
This would be really easy to show on a graph, but also would completely wreck the point of it being an ""FRFR"", also Jim Lil's video on the subject shows that really, no, it won't have much effect anyway, had it actually been true
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Maybe it’s not the cabinet then, idk. I think it helps. But it’s already not much of a ‘"FRFR"’, it’s clearly designed specifically for guitar. Nobody seems to think it will be able to handle a bass guitar, there is no aux input, and the frequency response is far from flat on a graph. Nobody is running a whole band mix through it. It’s not really an "FRFR" or a PA speaker. It’s designed for use with electric guitar modelers. All I know is it sounds great with a modeler plugged into it, and very amp-like for a supposed pa speaker.

deadpool_25 said:
The Fender FR-12 was awesome right out of the box. I didn't notice the hiss until people started bitching about it because I was standing like 10 feet away from it. Then I did hear it and once I did I wanted it gone. Still, it wasn't that bad imo. And mine was an original before they "fixed" it. Regardless, I got Liam's Archangel V2 preamp and the FR-12 went from fucking excellent to fucking amazing IMO.
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Mine had the hiss. Either it got worse over time, or I got more sensitive to it. Either way I returned it, but I will be buying another now that they fixed the hiss.
 
That sounds awful. I don’t want my cabinet changing the sound of the IRs I spend so much time picking. And what happens if you want a dead flat acoustic sound? What about the keyboards when you are doing guitar synth? May as well just have a basic 1x12 traditional speaker if that’s what you are after.
 
Actually, it didn’t sound awful at all, it sounded great with every IR I ran into it, and can be made to be relatively flat via the tone knobs. Plenty of people agree, overwhelmingly positive reviews.
 
Use a power amp + cab for rehearsal and just turn off IRs and use EQ to make it sound good enough for rehearsal. More important that it works well enough to practice efficiently - however it sounds at practice isn't going to reflect how it sounds for FOH even if you're using "FRFR". But why not just also use IEMs at practice?
 
If I didn't have my beloved Powercabs and id be looking at something for my Modeler it def would be the Fender FR
its right in my price range as well, the only negative thing i find is that its not Coaxial


:idk
 
pipelineaudio said:
That sounds awful. I don’t want my cabinet changing the sound of the IRs I spend so much time picking. And what happens if you want a dead flat acoustic sound? What about the keyboards when you are doing guitar synth? May as well just have a basic 1x12 traditional speaker if that’s what you are after.
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I play guitar synth through mine every time I gig it. It sounds great.
 
I barely ever go direct but I still have my main preset setup to send a signal to FOH that splits at the end and adds a speaker sim thats only for my XLR output.

I have 2 quilter tone block 200s that are good, small, and loud but I still prefer a tube power section. When the main goal is to be stupid loud and get people to mosh a tube power section just adds that extra bit of oomph or magic or whatever you want to call it. Also speakers... lots of speakers. 4 is minimum, 8 is always better.
 
deadpool_25 said:
Although the FR-12 isn't flat with the EQ knobs at noon, it does sound great that way. But if you want it to be flatter you can set the knobs for that.

Stock FR-12 settings for flat-ish.

Liam's V2 with settings for flat-ish.
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Saw those graphs, very well done for sure,But yeah the FR is designed more as a guitar cab than a "FRFR" as can tell by the settings it is a darker voiced cab
which i would agree most will prefer a Guitar centric voiced cabinet
Does the Angel Mod flaten things up more ? or is only a noise cut ?
 
I’m not looking for true pure "FRFR", I’m looking for something that sounds more… “natural”… in the room for electric guitar.

I hate to use the term but I guess I’m looking for something closer to “Amp where I'm at”.

So the Fender not being true "FRFR" doesn’t bother me. I’m just interested in how it sounds for electric guitar.

Also I know none of the solutions are perfect. I’m not looking for perfection here, just something that is going to be an improvement to what I’m doing now
 
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