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In one update they added a bunch of captures. They've since added a few amp models as well.
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In one update they added a bunch of captures. They've since added a few amp models as well.
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If you're asking what I think you're asking... the fully-functioning (capital M) Models use the same black box transfer function analysis as the Captures, but they're analyzed across a lot of IRL amp settings so that they can be presented with authentically responsive controls.
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***comes up short searching for nodding dumbly as I pretend to understand this***
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Even so... long term, the question boils down to, "Would I prefer that NDSP add better amp and effects models to the QC; or would I prefer that NDSP add better amp and effects models to the QC and take more of our money?"
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Interpolation.
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I mean, it's not like I "understand" it in anything beyond the broadest of strokes. I'm sure there's a lot of math involved that I wouldn't begin to comprehend.
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I *think* it's one of two things:
- Their models are actually TONS of amp captures with some cross-fading (similar to Fractal DynaCabs being tons of IR's with cross-fading)
- Their models are true amp models based on data they obtain from captures
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More likely #1 (except noting that cross-fading is not the same thing as interpolation.) I doubt their capturing process would be effective with the lower-level amp components that would need to be measured in order to build proper models. But, of course, I could be wrong about this.
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When they're not doing marketing interviews, they tell you they use both component modeling and capture methods in their amp models and it's not just a bunch of captures:
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Interesting. So you don't do component modeling for the built-in models the way other competitors do. You're not modeling a circuit board, you're modeling a sound. Cool. We actually do both. It all depends on yields the best/most efficient solution for any given problem.
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Is this true? Are QC amp models "deep" captures?
Hey everyone! I wanted to chime in that the QC amp models are not several captures combined into one, it’s a different process. 😉
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My guess is they probably component model things like the tonestack, cus why wouldn't you, and advanced-capture stuff like preamp gain stages, power amp with its "omg no one understands" transformer, etc. The idea that they're twiddling the tonestack for hours with a knob-machine to capture its behavior never made sense to me -- just take a look at the schematic, probe a couple values if you have to, and component model it in 15 minutes.
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Even so... long term, the question boils down to, "Would I prefer that NDSP add better amp and effects models to the QC; or would I prefer that NDSP add better amp and effects models to the QC and take more of our money?"
This is why I’m a little surprised that 3.0 is not going to add new models. (At least from what’s disclosed to this point) If for nothing else but to create an equilibrium between native (free) and plug-in (paid) content. They’ve released what 3 new amps on the QC in 13 months. How excited will a non-plug-in owner be for that to extend to 3 in 16-18 months, while they are subsequently releasing a handful of “I shouldn't buy these as they are counter to my own self interests, but I’m not getting content elsewhere, fuck it I’m bored, I’ll buy” plugins.
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Like a Boss device with a modern interfaceThis is why I’m a little surprised that 3.0 is not going to add new models. (At least from what’s disclosed to this point) If for nothing else but to create an equilibrium between native (free) and plug-in (paid) content. They’ve released what 3 new amps on the QC in 13 months. How excited will a non-plug-in owner be for that to extend to 3 in 16-18 months, while they are subsequently releasing a handful of “I shouldn't buy these as they are counter to my own self interests, but I’m not getting content elsewhere, fuck it I’m bored, I’ll buy” plugins.
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Slowest band-aid rip in modern history
Slowest band-aid rip in modern history
I'm happy they're still doing... something for the existing owners. I guess this compares favorably at least to Tonemaster Pro development?!?
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I looked in on the thread elsewhere the other day and people were talking about crickets on their discord server.
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When they're not doing marketing interviews, they tell you they use both component modeling and capture methods in their amp models and it's not just a bunch of captures:
Neural DSP Quad Cortex
Interesting. So you don't do component modeling for the built-in models the way other competitors do. You're not modeling a circuit board, you're modeling a sound. Cool. We actually do both. It all depends on yields the best/most efficient solution for any given problem.www.thegearpage.netIs this true? Are QC amp models "deep" captures?
Hey everyone! I wanted to chime in that the QC amp models are not several captures combined into one, it’s a different process. 😉
My guess is they probably component model things like the tonestack, cus why wouldn't you, and advanced-capture stuff like preamp gain stages, power amp with its "omg no one understands" transformer, etc. The idea that they're twiddling the tonestack for hours with a knob-machine to capture its behavior never made sense to me -- just take a look at the schematic, probe a couple values if you have to, and component model it in 15 minutes.
Yeah that makes total sense. Capture the stuff that would be difficult to model (Cliff has been refining his models for nearly 20 years), but component model the straightforward stuff. So it's a hybrid of captures and modeling, kind of like Kemper's liquid profiling?
Yeah that's where I'm at. I have an Axe 3 that scratches my "I WANT UPDATES" itch. QC is more like my virtual pedalboard.
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Actual crickets or it was quiet
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YesActual crickets or it was quiet
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sidechaining seems a cool addition, especially if that can be keyed externally
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