More in the 'stories of minimalism' series

[KingsXJJ]

One set for slapback and another for longer ?

This is one technique that has been used on some really killer albums and shows. Expensive shortcut is the Boss EVH SDE-3000. It has pro presets by the man for exactly this. You might be able to achieve similar results on the cheaper but still capable non-EVH model.

 

[Orvillain]

Just curious. Those who use reverb (pedals) live, how do you not get lost in the mix?

I have observed that it's tricky.

It really depends what you're after. There are zero rules with any of this stuff. Sometimes getting lost in the mix is kind of the goal.

How do you use two DD-7s? Both set in analog mode?

My thing is to use the first one as a reverse delay, with the mix around 25-30%, and the feedback relatively high so I get some nice background waves going on. Then this goes into the next delay, most often just a regular clean digital forwards delay. Similar settings. They both have the tempo tapped at the same time, and both are a quarter note. I get really nice ambient tones this way.

I top it off with a little bit of hall reverb.

Sometimes I would also use analog mode if I wanted a darker sound.

You also have/ had a DD-3. Does it feel obtrusive if you only like to have delay kind of in the background?

Again, sometimes obtrusive is the goal. Other times not. But a lot of the time the delay is an inherent part of the riff for me; not just an effect I'm slapping on willy nilly.

When I tried delays, I liked analog (or analog simulations) because they did not get in the way of playing.

It's an art to incorporate delays in one's playing, and I have long given up.

I think one of the key things is to listen to guitarists and bands who use a lot of delay, and try and reverse engineer how you think they're approaching it.

Just off the top of my head, two of my favourite bands for delay usage:

 

[Orvillain]

So it begins.

 

[Eagle]

I like simple too when I have the right amp.
Delay and reverb only but they have to be right.

 

[Orvillain]

Volume and wah and tuner on the board.

I made a little riser for my wah out of an old bit of wood.

Everything is dual locked.

Now to figure out what the rest of the pedals will be. I have a few options, and also a shopping list.

 

[newpedals]

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Volume and wah and tuner on the board.

I made a little riser for my wah out of an old bit of wood.

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Everything is dual locked.

Now to figure out what the rest of the pedals will be. I have a few options, and also a shopping list.

Hotone or other similar brands offer wah+volume combo pedals. I don't know about their reliability. But this way, you can further minimize your pedalboard.

 

[Orvillain]

Hotone or other similar brands offer wah+volume combo pedals. I don't know about their reliability. But this way, you can further minimize your pedalboard.

I'm very very attached to these two particular ones.

 

[newpedals]

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Wow. Such a beautiful board. If you love reverb, you can surely go for surfybear.

I have always enjoyed hearing real spring reverb.

 

[newpedals]

I'm very very attached to these two particular ones.

The heart wants what it (tone) wants.

 

[newpedals]

I like simple too when I have the right amp.
Delay and reverb only but they have to be right.

You have decades and decades of experience. Any pedal you chose will be worth hearing.

 

[newpedals]

I think my ears are fooling me but analog delays seem to have less highs, while tape delays seem to have less lows (bass frequencies).

Maybe this is why both seem "warmer" as opposed to pristine, digital delays.

Apart from lowering the mix control, there does not seem to be a way to make a simple digital delay inobtrusive. Expensive digital delays seem to be more verstatile, because they have some form of EQ control.

 

[Orvillain]

Where I am right now. Although I'm dubious about a few things:

- Micro.Clock kinda sucks. I mean, it is fine. But it updates the tempo every 2 taps rather than averaging out across 4/8/10... which means you end up getting really big tempo jumps. That needs to go to be honest.

Which leaves me in a quandry about having a global tap tempo source. Maybe if I get a Boss DD500 on the board that'll do the job.

- The Meris LVX. I dunno man.... been a bit cool on this pedal recently. It does some great sounds, but some of them are really exotic and borderline unmusical.

- The MercuryX is fantastic. But I'm missing that bog standard 'Hall' from the RV-5.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

- Micro.Clock kinda sucks. I mean, it is fine. But it updates the tempo every 2 taps rather than averaging out across 4/8/10... which means you end up getting really big tempo jumps. That needs to go to be honest.

Seems odd you can't change that setting. I wouldn't like that either.

Which leaves me in a quandry about having a global tap tempo source. Maybe if I get a Boss DD500 on the board that'll do the job.

Do you still have the dd500 or did you move that one on a while ago? I've always been quite tempted by the DD200, it'd probably do everything I need and less menus work for me too.

 

[Orvillain]

Do you still have the dd500 or did you move that one on a while ago? I've always been quite tempted by the DD200, it'd probably do everything I need and less menus work for me too.

I moved it on, but I love those pedals. I might grab one. DD200 looks cool!

I'm thinking about what I would want instead of my Meris pedals... Strymon Cloudburst to go with my MXR Reverb and Boss RV-5 seems like it would do everything I want, and with way fewer fuck abouts to get to the right sounds!

 

[SillyOctpuss]

I moved it on, but I love those pedals. I might grab one. DD200 looks cool!

I'm thinking about what I would want instead of my Meris pedals... Strymon Cloudburst to go with my MXR Reverb and Boss RV-5 seems like it would do everything I want, and with way fewer fuck abouts to get to the right sounds!

I'm hovering between going for a collider or a DD200 and a RV200. I think I'd like the two seperate pedals rather than having both in one.

I love the mxr m300 but I've never played a RV5 tbh. The MXR is another pedal that I'm not sure why I sold. I always wanted to try the Neunaber too.

 

[Eagle]

You have decades and decades of experience. Any pedal you chose will be worth hearing.

Tc2290 and pcm 42 in a mixer was my reference.
The old Timefactor pedal and a DD 500 are not bad
Reverb is not easy. I tend to use Axe3 in parallel for convenience or WDW used kill dry. I’m yet to hear a reverb pedal I like. I have a RV 500 for the dry through sample rate and tone control on the reverb. It’s not perfect but pretty good.
I tried H9 and 90 when they came out and as convenient as they are the Timefactor sounds significantly better imo.

 

[Orvillain]

Tc2290 and pcm 42 in a mixer was my reference.
The old Timefactor pedal and a DD 500 are not bad
Reverb is not easy. I tend to use Axe3 in parallel for convenience or WDW used kill dry. I’m yet to hear a reverb pedal I like. I have a RV 500 for the dry through sample rate and tone control on the reverb. It’s not perfect but pretty good.
I tried H9 and 90 when they came out and as convenient as they are the Timefactor sounds significantly better imo.

I liked the Timefactor when it came out. Quite noisy compared to some more modern stuff though. I think those old factor pedals and the SPACE are infinity more usable than the H9 and H90. I didn't last long with my H90. Just didn't like how it worked, and it was insanely noisy in front of a high-gain amp. Like, wayyyyy noisier than the "cheap Behringer" stuff from TC (Flashback 2, Hall of Fame 2, etc)

Eventide are a solid company. I and two other blokes got done over by a scammer on Gumtree when I sold my old H9, and Eventide sent me a replacement pedal. We got the money back eventually too. But Eventide really didn't need to do that. So as a company, they're one of the best in my view. But alas, I'm just not into their products.

The RV500 was lovely, but I struggled to get anything approaching the Bloom or Cloud stuff from the BigSky. I think the Source Audio Ventris has much better algorithms, but the RV500 has better overall engineering. Boss seem to be the only company who manage to get spillover and midi support almost 100% correct. Source Audio haven't really ever managed to nail that.

DD500... pondering buying one to not only use as a delay, but also as a master clock for my board. But it sorta depends what I end up with.

 

[la szum]

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So it begins.

Can't get much more minimalistic with that setup.

 

[la szum]

I think my ears are fooling me but analog delays seem to have less highs, while tape delays seem to have less lows (bass frequencies).

Maybe this is why both seem "warmer" as opposed to pristine, digital delays.

Apart from lowering the mix control, there does not seem to be a way to make a simple digital delay inobtrusive. Expensive digital delays seem to be more verstatile, because they have some form of EQ control.

You are spot on. I have actually ditched analog delays in a live setting for
digital delays because the analog delays washed out too much (especially
with gain) and I found the digital delays to hold together better and not
turn into mush.

I feel like everything has a purpose... in the right hands and bands. So much
depends on what we want as individuals from gear.

 

[Eagle]

I liked the Timefactor when it came out. Quite noisy compared to some more modern stuff though. I think those old factor pedals and the SPACE are infinity more usable than the H9 and H90. I didn't last long with my H90. Just didn't like how it worked, and it was insanely noisy in front of a high-gain amp. Like, wayyyyy noisier than the "cheap Behringer" stuff from TC (Flashback 2, Hall of Fame 2, etc)

Eventide are a solid company. I and two other blokes got done over by a scammer on Gumtree when I sold my old H9, and Eventide sent me a replacement pedal. We got the money back eventually too. But Eventide really didn't need to do that. So as a company, they're one of the best in my view. But alas, I'm just not into their products.

The RV500 was lovely, but I struggled to get anything approaching the Bloom or Cloud stuff from the BigSky. I think the Source Audio Ventris has much better algorithms, but the RV500 has better overall engineering. Boss seem to be the only company who manage to get spillover and midi support almost 100% correct. Source Audio haven't really ever managed to nail that.

DD500... pondering buying one to not only use as a delay, but also as a master clock for my board. But it sorta depends what I end up with.

Not a fan of strymon the ventris is way better but I still prefer the options in the RV.
Strymon stuff changes the sound of the dry when you turn it on and it really bugs me.
Most of the time I use AXE3 for fx . I contemplated a 2290p because I am so familiar with the original but it may bug me if it doesn’t sound as good . Not played with one much and not with my rig so I don’t know. For me it’s sound first for the few things that I use a lot. The rest is a bonus if it has it.