Luminite Graviton M1 MIDI Controller

[Hapless]

Yep makes sense, fixed in 4.2.1 !

Updated to 4.2.1 and now it's stuck in a weird boot loop where it restarts, shows the splash screen, then goes to the update software page where about 2/3 of the left part of the screen goes dark blue, then repeats over and over. If i'm quick, I can tap the screen and get to another menu, but it goes right back to the update software screen and the boot loop starts again. I turned the power off to it and then turned it back on, and it continues to do the same thing. None of the footswitches on the FW10 work while it's doing this. I did a hard reset and it wiped all my settings and presets and put it back to firmware 4.0.1. Ugh.

I updated to 4.2.1 again, everything was fine...until....I set the USB to Host. As soon as I did that, same boot loop started.

 

[Luminite]

Updated to 4.2.1 and now it's stuck in a weird boot loop where it restarts, shows the splash screen, then goes to the update software page where about 2/3 of the left part of the screen goes dark blue, then repeats over and over. If i'm quick, I can tap the screen and get to another menu, but it goes right back to the update software screen and the boot loop starts again. I turned the power off to it and then turned it back on, and it continues to do the same thing. None of the footswitches on the FW10 work while it's doing this. I did a hard reset and it wiped all my settings and presets and put it back to firmware 4.0.1. Ugh.

I updated to 4.2.1 again, everything was fine...until....I set the USB to Host. As soon as I did that, same boot loop started.

Fixed now with 4.2.2 (uploaded). Sorry for that !
This bug was introduced from 4.1.9 (2 days ago). It happens when USB Host Mode is activated.
I will slow down and test everything more carefully. And add Beta and Stable update options.

 

[Hapless]

Everything works as expected again. Thanks for the quick turnaround!

 

[Hapless]

Everything works as expected again. Thanks for the quick turnaround!

Well...now I'm back to the previous behavior from a few versions ago where it won't switch the IR-X via USB the way I have it set. When I press the play button in the block for the IR-X, it works as expected. When I switch presets, it very briefly flashes the other channel on the IR-X and then goes to Channel 2 with the boost activated. If I go to preset 2, which I have set to Channel 2 on the IR-X with no boost, the boost light on the IR-X blinks but stays on. When I try to switch back to preset one, the Channel 1 light blinks but it stays on Channel 2 with the boost on.. I have preset 3 set to switch the IR-X to Channel 2 with the boost on, and when I choose preset 3, it stays on Channel 2 with the boost on, with no lights blinking.

I had the IR-X block first in the chain, and have a 10ms pause right after it. I tried moving the block further along in the chain with a 10ms pause before it, and get the same behavior. Prior to these last couple updates, it worked fine with the pause before it.

 

[Luminite]

Is this optional…else I’m afraid my setup gets messed up

I know it was at my request..but I’m afraid, thinking this thru again..it introduces another issue.
purpose was..when I use a preset as a “stompbox” toggle only…when I leave it to and select another actual preset…the stompbox resets.
Problem is…I use 5 presets as stompbox switches…so if I’m correct…when I select this option…I no longer have the option to, for example, turn 2 stomps on. Sorry about this realization after the fact

Yes this is a new option. And its per-preset, not global. You can have both “stompbox” for some presets and “auto-reset” toggling for others.

In my mind…functionality to use switches to toggle stomp boxes, and track their status while switching presets …is still on the wishlist.

You can also try the MIDI Tracking feature ? It can display the statuses of the stomp-boxes you want in one screen, while preset switching happens in the background.

 

[Luminite]

Well...now I'm back to the previous behavior from a few versions ago where it won't switch the IR-X via USB the way I have it set. When I press the play button in the block for the IR-X, it works as expected. When I switch presets, it very briefly flashes the other channel on the IR-X and then goes to Channel 2 with the boost activated. If I go to preset 2, which I have set to Channel 2 on the IR-X with no boost, the boost light on the IR-X blinks but stays on. When I try to switch back to preset one, the Channel 1 light blinks but it stays on Channel 2 with the boost on.. I have preset 3 set to switch the IR-X to Channel 2 with the boost on, and when I choose preset 3, it stays on Channel 2 with the boost on, with no lights blinking.

I had the IR-X block first in the chain, and have a 10ms pause right after it. I tried moving the block further along in the chain with a 10ms pause before it, and get the same behavior. Prior to these last couple updates, it worked fine with the pause before it.

Hmm I haven't changed anything related to that since. But 10ms seems a bit short ? The default time is 30ms. Can you try increasing it to 100ms and see if it works ?

Also check if any Toogling On / Momentary On is enabled by accident ?

 

[Hapless]

Hmm I haven't changed anything related to that since. But 10ms seems a bit short ? The default time is 30ms. Can you try increasing it to 100ms and see if it works ?

Also check if any Toogling On / Momentary On is enabled by accident ?

I set them all to 100ms and it's still doing the same thing. Toggling and momentary are all set to off.

 

[Luminite]

You mind

I set them all to 100ms and it's still doing the same thing. Toggling and momentary are all set to off.

You mind trying again with the same presets, but with a 5-pin MIDI cable to the IR-X instead ?

 

[Hapless]

You mind


You mind trying again with the same presets, but with a 5-pin MIDI cable to the IR-X instead ?

That works as expected. The same thing happened the previous time before you added pauses. Then it worked flawlessly with the pauses via USB. I had the pauses set to 10ms the entire time up until now with zero issues.

 

[Luminite]

That works as expected. The same thing happened the previous time before you added pauses. Then it worked flawlessly with the pauses via USB. I had the pauses set to 10ms the entire time up until now with zero issues.

I see. I’ll try to fix this asap. To confirm: sending a single MIDI messages to IR-X works (over USB Host) . Sending multiple messages to other devices as well at once, will lead to unexpected behavior on the IR-X like before ? Wherever there are Pauses between them or not and no matter how long the Pauses are ?

 

[Hapless]

I see. I’ll try to fix this asap. To confirm: sending a single MIDI messages to IR-X works (over USB Host) . Sending multiple messages to other devices as well at once, will lead to unexpected behavior on the IR-X like before ? Wherever there are Pauses between them or not and no matter how long the Pauses are ?

Correct to all questions.

 

[Graydon]

I was thinking this today as well since I've been trying to get the expression pedal to work on my PCM81. I got it working but I am running into this same issue. It would be nice to have some visual indication of the pedal position. What would be really nice is to have a little screen under each button on the F10 footswitch box whose message can be programmed. I know that would add considerable expense and programming but it sure would be nice.

 

[Luminite]

Feature request:
It would be very helpful to have some visual feedback on where exp pedals / EC controllers are at. Example: I have my delay level under an EC knob…the only way to tell how much delay there is…is to make sound...which is cool at a bar gig…but not when you need to be quite and be spot on from note 1.

I could imagine that “on change“ of a value controlled by expression/EC, a screen pops up for a few seconds showing the value, and the name the user has given to the CC.

I was thinking this today as well since I've been trying to get the expression pedal to work on my PCM81. I got it working but I am running into this same issue. It would be nice to have some visual indication of the pedal position.

You meant for the Live view right ? As there are feedback (sliders or numbers) for each parameters in the MIDI Editor and MIDI Tracking view.
Popup sliders / value feedback in Live view sounds cool. I'll add it into the plan.

What would be really nice is to have a little screen under each button on the F10 footswitch box whose message can be programmed. I know that would add considerable expense and programming but it sure would be nice.

Yeah its possible, but will have a much much shorter battery life / or plugged in only. Plus probably cost double what its is now

 

[unguitar]

has anyone tested this devices on Monome's Norns yet?
I'm ready to order my M2 plus controllers, but I need to know this first.
thank you

 

[Luminite]

has anyone tested this devices on Monome's Norns yet?
I'm ready to order my M2 plus controllers, but I need to know this first.
thank you

What kind of MIDI interfaces does the Norns have ? Serial MIDI / USB Device / USB Host ?

 

[unguitar]

What kind of MIDI interfaces does the Norns have ? Serial MIDI / USB Device / USB Host ?

it's USB

control + clock

monome docs

monome.org

 

[Luminite]

it's USB

control + clock

monome docs

monome.org

It should work with both M1 and M2 using a USB Type-C cable and with the M1/M2 set to USB Device mode (as they're USB class compliant).

 

[keitht]

https://www.colortab.org/Graviton/ Index to tools

I have created a set of web based tools for editing and combining parts of backup files for the Graviton M1 and M2 models. I hope they are self explanatory for the advanced user. I did this to make it possible to collect and transfer portions of backup files so that they can be quickly combined and edited. Open source MIT license, do what you want with them.

 

[guitargai]

just wanted to follow up here - my initial experience with the Graviton M1 was a little sketchy, as apparently my XY controller had a bad battery that wouldn’t hold an adequate charge. I was shipped a replacement controller (thanks!) but things got super busy and I didn’t have time to revisit. we play some bigger events, and I was concerned wireless interference would be an issue, and then the M2 was released.

bought an M2, the switches on it are my backup if the bluetooth connection gets unstable. I control our entire show running in Ableton Live, and the ability this affords me to not be tied down to a specific spot on stage to trigger the show with a pedal is amazing. no hiccups, everything just works. thanks for such an awesome product!

 

[Luminite]

just wanted to follow up here - my initial experience with the Graviton M1 was a little sketchy, as apparently my XY controller had a bad battery that wouldn’t hold an adequate charge. I was shipped a replacement controller (thanks!) but things got super busy and I didn’t have time to revisit. we play some bigger events, and I was concerned wireless interference would be an issue, and then the M2 was released.

bought an M2, the switches on it are my backup if the bluetooth connection gets unstable. I control our entire show running in Ableton Live, and the ability this affords me to not be tied down to a specific spot on stage to trigger the show with a pedal is amazing. no hiccups, everything just works. thanks for such an awesome product!

Thanks! I'm glad to hear the show went well. The wireless connection from the XY, EC, F10W, F6W to the M1/M2 isn't Bluetooth; instead it's a custom type with significantly longer range and stronger interference resistance. This is especially important in RF crowded stages filled with wireless mics, IEMs, instruments, and more. It also never loses its pairing status or requires re-pairing ever, unlike Bluetooth.

Other users who had experienced significant drop out, pairing loss, etc with other wireless devices on live stages have also reported great results with the Graviton system.