Luminite Graviton M1 MIDI Controller

[Luminite]

Sure, here it is... http://gofile.me/71PCf/ljidsqxld

Yes its a bug (affects channel 16 only). Fixed in 4.1.5 !

So there are 16 x 128 = 2048 unique CC labels?

Yep

 

[Graydon]

Thank you for your great customer service! That works now as expected.

 

[Graydon]

I am trying to get the M1 to send a CC# to my Lexicon PCM81 to enable the Bypass and then to disable it. I have found that I can reliably toggle it on/off by setting up a Preset set to "Momentary On Toggle" and then a simple CC message to the correct CC#. It toggles the Bypass on and off.
There are a few issues with this however.
1. If I hit the button on the X-Y wireless switch, I have to hold the X-Y switch down for almost half a second for it to work. If I touch it quickly, the PCM Bypass doesn't change.
2. If I touch the button on the screen of the M1, nothing happens.
3. If I hit a button on the wireless footswitch, nothing happens.
4. If I hit a button on the wired footswitch, it works fine and it doesn't seem to require a long press

Does the M1 respond differently depending on which device is sending the signal?

Secondly, the Bypass only toggles. I can't figure out how to command it on and then later to command it off. It only toggles.

I guess that's enough for now.

 

[Luminite]

I am trying to get the M1 to send a CC# to my Lexicon PCM81 to enable the Bypass and then to disable it. I have found that I can reliably toggle it on/off by setting up a Preset set to "Momentary On Toggle" and then a simple CC message to the correct CC#. It toggles the Bypass on and off.
There are a few issues with this however.
1. If I hit the button on the X-Y wireless switch, I have to hold the X-Y switch down for almost half a second for it to work. If I touch it quickly, the PCM Bypass doesn't change.
2. If I touch the button on the screen of the M1, nothing happens.
3. If I hit a button on the wireless footswitch, nothing happens.
4. If I hit a button on the wired footswitch, it works fine and it doesn't seem to require a long press

Does the M1 respond differently depending on which device is sending the signal?

Secondly, the Bypass only toggles. I can't figure out how to command it on and then later to command it off. It only toggles.

I guess that's enough for now.

What MIDI messages the Lexicon PCM81 expect to enable and disable its bypass ?

Can you try Toggle On instead of Momentary On ? With Momentary On, a quick tap will send a CC on button press, and a CC off (value 0) on button release, in rapid succession. Maybe thats why it doesn't work

Toogle On mode will send a CC on with the 1st press, then CC off with the 2nd press etc

 

[Graydon]

As far as I know the PCM81 expects an on=127 or off=0 message at whatever Ctl # I specify. I've tried every combination of Toggling, and momentary switching available on the M1. I think the problem is in the PCM81 actually. I looked at the messages on Midi-Ox and even on Midi-Ox, I had to send a CC=0 in between each CC=127 message to get it to toggle states.

 

[DrewJD82]

I’m just catching this thread now for some reason, but seeing what I have on this last page makes me all kinds of happy.
(the awesome customer/company communication)

 

[Graydon]

I’m just catching this thread now for some reason, but just seeing what I have on this last page makes me all kinds of happy.
(the awesome customer/company communication)

Oh yes, Van over at Luminite has been fantastic with customer service, response to enquiries, and integration of customer suggestions into his software and hardware. The result is that he has produced an amazing little MIDI controller with incredible capability.

 

[laxu]

@Luminite I found a bug in 4.15.

The custom CC labels for channels are shifted down by one channel, so selecting channel 7 shows labels from channel 6.

 

[Luminite]

@Luminite I found a bug in 4.15.

The custom CC labels for channels are shifted down by one channel, so selecting channel 7 shows labels from channel 6.

Oops ! Yes there is an internal shift in 4.1.5, but its supposed to be transparent to users . Did this happen from just updating, or from loading older backups to 4.1.5 ?

Anyway, with 4.1.7 (online now) I added a "Swap All Labels" button between channels with just one tap. Plus the "Show Labels Only" display mode you requested a while ago. Should be easier to manage them than before.

 

[laxu]

Oops ! Yes there is an internal shift in 4.1.5, but its supposed to be transparent to users . Did this happen from just updating, or from loading older backups to 4.1.5 ?

This was just from updating. I'll check out 4.1.7 later today.

 

[laxu]

Ok tried 4.1.7. I had to swap the labels down by one, e.g ch3 -> ch2 to get them aligned again.

The "Labels only" toggle doesn't seem to do anything. It shows up as enabled but I cannot toggle it back to show the "non-mapped" CCs.

 

[Luminite]

Ok tried 4.1.7. I had to swap the labels down by one, e.g ch3 -> ch2 to get them aligned again.

The "Labels only" toggle doesn't seem to do anything. It shows up as enabled but I cannot toggle it back to show the "non-mapped" CCs.

Found the bugs for both (only happen in some cases). Both should be fixed in 4.1.8 (uploaded)

 

[laxu]

Found the bugs for both (only happen in some cases). Both should be fixed in 4.1.8 (uploaded)

Nope, still can't disable "Labels only" in 4.1.8.

 

[Graydon]

Apologies if I missed it but is there a way to offset program numbers to account for the fact that some processors start at 0 while others start at 1?
Thanks.

 

[Luminite]

Is there any chance of 2 way communication with Kempers on the roadmap? (Tuner/stompstatus/presernames)
Would be a great unit to go with their player…personally I’m gonna use with a toaster. Not having the tuner in sight is the biggest compromise atm compared to using their own remote.

Yes it's possible (with SysEx). There is some information in the Kemper manual page 35, but if you have more information it would be a great help !

Nope, still can't disable "Labels only" in 4.1.8.

Hmm I can't replicate this on mine. Can you try again with 4.1.9. If it still persists, can you send a video ?

Apologies if I missed it but is there a way to offset program numbers to account for the fact that some processors start at 0 while others start at 1?
Thanks.

Not yet, but adding an option starting from 1 should be easy. I'll add this to the list !

 

[laxu]

Hmm I can't replicate this on mine. Can you try again with 4.1.9. If it still persists, can you send a video ?

Video wouldn't help much as it would be just me tapping the Labels only toggle and nothing happening. For me it remains stuck on enabled, on every channel. I believe it got set on enabled without me selecting it right from the firmware that introduced the feature.

Things I tried:

• Rebooting once more after fw update to 4.1.9.
• Toggling MIDI Editor from "List" to "Block" in Settings.
• Picking a channel with no mappings. It should not let you select the "Labels only" option in this case before you add at least one mapping.
• Using keypad to select an unlabeled CC and then adding a label for it.
• PC vs CC. Same behavior.
• Adding a new PC or CC to an empty preset.

Found another small bug maybe: The play icon is shown on the Encoder edit view and probably should not be.

In any case, this is kind of a reason why I asked at some point if the backup format was something human readable. If my data is somehow corrupt, then it's going to be a pain in the ass to manually type in the CC/PC labels for 9 different devices. If the backup format was some JSON or XML I could edit, then I could correct the issue on my computer, reset the unit and import data again.

 

[Luminite]

Video wouldn't help much as it would be just me tapping the Labels only toggle. For me it remains stuck on enabled, on every channel. I believe it got set on enabled without me selecting it right from the firmware that introduced the feature.

Things I tried:

• Rebooting once more after fw update to 4.1.9.
• Toggling MIDI Editor from "List" to "Block" in Settings.
• Picking a channel with no mappings. It should not let you select the "Labels only" option in this case before you add at least one mapping.
• Using keypad to select an unlabeled CC and then adding a label for it.
• PC vs CC. Same behavior.
• Adding a new PC or CC to an empty preset.

Found another small bug maybe: The play icon is shown on the Encoder edit view and probably should not be.

In any case, this is kind of a reason why I asked at some point if the backup format was something human readable. If my data is somehow corrupt, then it's going to be a pain in the ass to manually type in the CC/PC labels for 9 different devices. If the backup format was some JSON or XML I could edit, then I could correct the issue on my computer, reset the unit and import data again.

Yes a PC editor app / browser for editing backup files is coming, for editing Presets / SysEx / Songs / Setlists / Labels etc (or swapping parts you want between files)

I'm also adding a new reset option in 4.2.0, for resetting all settings to default, while keeping all Presets / Labels / etc untouched. Should be ready soonish !

 

[Luminite]

Graviton M1 / M2 4.2.0 Software Update​

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New Features:​

• Toggling with Auto-Reset: Always reset back to On when switching away. And only start toggling On / Off after the first tap.
• Quick Block and List Layout: switching button in MIDI Editor.
• Custom USB Device Name: Useful for multiple Graviton M1/M2 setup connecting over USB Hub.
• Swap Labels: Swap all Labels between Channels with one tap.
• Show Labels Only: View important parameters only.
• Rapid Tapping: (Settings > TRS > Type) high speed wired footswitches reading at slightly slower display update.
• Reset Settings and Reset All: Useful for fixing some bugs.

Bug Fixes:​

• Fixed Channel 16 Labels bug, may need manual Labels swapping from user (from Channel N to Channel N-1)
• Fixed: List Layout for MIDI Tracking screen.

User Manual:​

Luminite Graviton M1 / M2 User Manual 4.1.0

How to Update:​

• Go to Settings > Update > Follow the on-screen instructions.
• The update process typically takes 2-3 minutes. If it hangs up or takes longer than that, tap cancel or power cycle the device and try again.

Picking a channel with no mappings. It should not let you select the "Labels only" option in this case before you add at least one mapping.

This check was implemented in 4.2.0, and will switch off "Labels Only" if there are none. Let me know if this fix the bug ?

 

[laxu]

This check was implemented in 4.2.0, and will switch off "Labels Only" if there are none. Let me know if this fix the bug ?

Yeah this solved it. "Labels only" would not work until I went to an empty channel, then it was able to toggle the button and after that it seems to work as expected everywhere.

The Block/List layout toggle is also very welcome, but I'd recommend keeping the List view's tighter button spacing for the bottom controls so that the appearance of the Page button in List view does not shift the controls around.

The action labels should also be reversed. IMO it should say "List layout" when in Block layout and vice versa. Basically meaning "go to List Layout" instead of what the current layout is.

 

[Luminite]

The Block/List layout toggle is also very welcome, but I'd recommend keeping the List view's tighter button spacing for the bottom controls so that the appearance of the Page button in List view does not shift the controls around.

The action labels should also be reversed. IMO it should say "List layout" when in Block layout and vice versa. Basically meaning "go to List Layout" instead of what the current layout is.

Yep makes sense, fixed in 4.2.1 !