Luminite Graviton M1 MIDI Controller

[hippietim]

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They are rotary encoders, which have infinity rotation

Any chance of doing one that works like a normal pot? I want to know where stop and start are. I’m not sure what I’d do with infinity rotation.

 

[Luminite]

Great! I'm curious how you'd use the different CW/CCW directions for different functions on the knob though.

Do you think it might be possible to set it up to "wrap around" a value, e.g rotate it long enough and it goes from 0->127->0 again as long as you keep rotating the knob? Or through some min/max range you can define.

I think that might have interesting usecases for say cycling through presets on two different pedals (pedal A is CW, pedal B is CCW) or cycling through values on controls where going back and forth is not that useful (like say picking a cab sim on my Strymon Iridium - CC values 0-8).

Can you use the button on the knob to switch between say sending MIDI CC 1 vs CC 2 when you rotate it?

Yes to all of them :) !

Any chance of doing one that works like a normal pot? I want to know where stop and start are. I’m not sure what I’d do with infinity rotation.

Yes its possible, but the functionality will be more limited compared to rotary encoders. I'll explore that option once the EC controllers are released.

 

[hippietim]

Yes its possible, but the functionality will be more limited compared to rotary encoders. I'll explore that option once the EC controllers are released.

If you can release a normal pot version that can ultimately send CC MIDI messages that go up when I turn it one way and go down when I turn it the other, you have accomplished what I want. Bonus points if I can pick the starting and ending values but I can make 0-127 work.

 

[hippietim]

A few other controls that I would definitely use:

- thumbwheel with a start/stop position that functions as a simple expression pedal

- a small slider that functions as a simple expression pedal

- Something like the pitch wheel on synths. So it has a center detent and springs back to center. Either a thumbwheel or a little joystick would be cool. A couple obvious uses:
1) pitch bend controller for synths
2) dual CC controller - one in each direction. I’d love to set it up to do wah in one direction and whammy in the other.

Having a single control per unit would be handy. It’d make placing them easier and I don’t really want two of everything and it’d be tough for you to offer every combination.

 

[quadgear]

Any chance of doing one that works like a normal pot? I want to know where stop and start are. I’m not sure what I’d do with infinity rotation.

Or an encoder with an LED ring for feedback.

 

[hippietim]

Or an encoder with an LED ring for feedback.

I’d prefer something I don’t have to look at to know I’ve hit the beginning/end.

 

[Hapless]

Just received my M1. Cool little device. I have a question regarding sending MIDI to my HX Stomp via USB. I have the M1 set to Host and I'm running from the USB-A port to the USB-B port on the Stomp, but it's not working. I'm somewhat of a MIDI noob, so I may not understand what I'm doing at all. ANy help would be appreciated. Thanks!

 

[Hapless]

Well, I got it to control my IR-X via USB, so it must be something with the Stomp. Anyway, the Stomp is working fine with a regular MIDI cable and the USB is working with the IR-X, so all is well, I guess.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

ok so i kept getting way more noise then I should have and couldn't figure it out with my overdrive and fuzz pedals. Well turns out i have my graviton on a 1-spot along with the pedals and the graviton was making it super noisy and weird sounding. Soon as I unplugged the graviton my pedals were quiet and better sounding. So apparently graviton needs it's own power adapter!

I mean this wasn't your normal daisy chain noise which is little bit of noise and tolerable, this was really bad noise.

 

[ericbr1]

ok so i kept getting way more noise then I should have and couldn't figure it out with my overdrive and fuzz pedals. Well turns out i have my graviton on a 1-spot along with the pedals and the graviton was making it super noisy and weird sounding. Soon as I unplugged the graviton my pedals were quiet and better sounding. So apparently graviton needs it's own power adapter!

I mean this wasn't your normal daisy chain noise which is little bit of noise and tolerable, this was really bad noise.

On the website it says it needs 250ma minimum of current. Were you giving it that? I would never daisy chain anything requiring that much current but just curious

 

[laxu]

ok so i kept getting way more noise then I should have and couldn't figure it out with my overdrive and fuzz pedals. Well turns out i have my graviton on a 1-spot along with the pedals and the graviton was making it super noisy and weird sounding. Soon as I unplugged the graviton my pedals were quiet and better sounding. So apparently graviton needs it's own power adapter!

I mean this wasn't your normal daisy chain noise which is little bit of noise and tolerable, this was really bad noise.

The 1 Spot I have is pretty guaranteed to give noise with any digital pedal. Didn't think that would be the case with a non-audio device tho.

When I have it plugged into my CIOKS DC7, zero issues.

I also recommend trying it with a small USB-C powerbank, that's what I've been using when I want it to be truly wireless, I have this very slim powerbank that is only a bit larger than the footprint of the M1, just pop the powerbank under the M1 and plug in.

 

[BROCKSTAR]

On the website it says it needs 250ma minimum of current. Were you giving it that? I would never daisy chain anything requiring that much current but just curious

Yeah, the 1 spot daisy thing I have going holds like 1500ma. I have my source audio ventris and nemesis on same chain too and no noise that I can see on monitor meter or hear.

The noise isn't an issue when i have the midi controller connected with my source audio stuff and zoia and im playing clean ambient stuff etc.. Only when i was trying overdrive and fuzz pedals on the same circuit then the noise went out of control, not your pedal type noise, just really bad farting / loud hum type noise and made the pedals act weird and stuff. Soon as I took the midi controller out of the situation, the pedals were fine even along with the source audio pedals.

So I will just get an adapter for the midi controller by itself.

I really also need to re-arrange my set up someday.

Where the heck people find room to plug in each pedal with it's own power supply lol. I'm already running out of space in my home for where to plug things into lol.

My boss sy-1000, boss gm-800, polyeffects beebo, meris lvx, eventide h90, glou-glou loupe looper already run off their own single power supplies each, and im running out of space lol

 

[laxu]

Where the heck people find room to plug in each pedal with it's own power supply lol. I'm already running out of space in my home for where to plug things into lol.

My boss sy-1000, boss gm-800, polyeffects beebo, meris lvx, eventide h90, glou-glou loupe looper already run off their own single power supplies each, and im running out of space lol

I think you are a special case when you have almost every complex box that comes to market!

I think your pedals deserve a better power supply than the 1 Spot daisy chain though. I don't use that for anything but testing individual pedals or in a fully analog signal chain where it's noisier, but less of a problem.

 

[ztones]

So I just realized that Bluetooth le midi does not work in windows 11. So what are my options for connecting the M1 or M2 to my PC? CME widi bud pro dongle or USB cable?

 

[laxu]

So I just realized that Bluetooth le midi does not work in windows 11. So what are my options for connecting the M1 or M2 to my PC? CME widi bud pro dongle or USB cable?

I remember reading hte BT LE support was added recently to WIn11, but it might not be yet available in anything but insider builds.

Easiest is just to use a USB cable.

 

[Hapless]

Ok, so I'm about ready to pull my hair out. I have my M1 set up to send MIDI to my GM-800, my HX Stomp and my IR-X. I've got the USB host going out to the IR-X, TRS1 going out to the Stomp and TRS3 going out to the GM-800. I have MIDI set up as follows:

Ch. 1 to IR-X
Ch. 2 to GM-800
Ch. 4 to Stomp

I have 4 presets set up so far, which are as follows:

Rhythm 1- PC 125 to Ch. 4 to select that preset, PC 118 to the Ch. 2 to select preset 119 (blank),, PC 1 to Ch. 1 to select channel 2 without boost and CC 69 Value 0 to Ch 4 to select Snapshot 1..
Rhythm 2- PC 125>Ch. 4, PC 118>Ch 2, PC 2>Ch. 1 for channel 1 without boost, CC69 V1>Ch. 4
Phaser- PC 125>Ch. 4, PC 118> Ch. 2, PC 2>Ch. 1, CC69 V2>Ch4
Lead- PC125>Ch. 4, PC 118>Ch. 2, PC 3>Ch. 1 for Channel 2 with boost, CC69 V3

For some reason, the CC's stop sending to the Stomp after awhile and won't change until I go into Settings>TRS and switch to something else and then back. The PC's going to the IR-X won't keep what I set them at, and will add a boost where I don't want it, or not activate the boost where I do no matter what I set it at. When I go into the individual MIDI blocks for Ch. 1 (IR-X) it selects things correctly, but when I switch the entire preset either on the screen or with the FS, it switches to whatever it wants.

Are these bugs, or am I doing something wrong?

 

[Luminite]

For some reason, the CC's stop sending to the Stomp after awhile and won't change until I go into Settings>TRS and switch to something else and then back.

Yes there was a bug with Settings > TRS > MIDI Out Mode that came with 4.0.1 and was fixed in the latest 4.0.3.

• Fixed a bug where TRS 1 Jack has to switch to Footswitch mode and then back to MIDI Out again after restarting for MIDI Out to work again.

The PC's going to the IR-X won't keep what I set them at, and will add a boost where I don't want it, or not activate the boost where I do no matter what I set it at. When I go into the individual MIDI blocks for Ch. 1 (IR-X) it selects things correctly, but when I switch the entire preset either on the screen or with the FS, it switches to whatever it wants.

Does this happen if you use the 5-pin MIDI Input on the IR-X instead ? Have you set the receiving channel on the IR-X as channel 1 instead omni ?

 

[Hapless]

Yes there was a bug with Settings > TRS > MIDI Out Mode that came with 4.0.1 and was fixed in the latest 4.0.3.





Does this happen if you use the 5-pin MIDI Input on the IR-X instead ? Have you set the receiving channel on the IR-X as channel 1 instead omni ?

I was unaware that 4.03 was out. THat seems to have fixed that issue. Thanks!

The IR-X is set to channel 1. I switched to a 5-pin cable and that seems to work correctly. Now the question is, is there a bug with the USB Host or with the IR-X? When I try to use the USB for MIDI with the Stomp, it doesn't work at all, and with the IR-X it switches some things but not as it's supposed to.

 

[laxu]

I guess there is no way to rearrange or remove a MIDI preset command that is not the last one? I wanted to remove one command from the middle in my preset but could not do that without removing everything after it first. Hold command for menu with move/delete options would be nice here.

 

[Hapless]

I was unaware that 4.03 was out. THat seems to have fixed that issue. Thanks!

The IR-X is set to channel 1. I switched to a 5-pin cable and that seems to work correctly. Now the question is, is there a bug with the USB Host or with the IR-X? When I try to use the USB for MIDI with the Stomp, it doesn't work at all, and with the IR-X it switches some things but not as it's supposed to.

@Luminite I ran some PC and CC's from my PC to the Stomp with the same cable via MIDI OX, and it worked flawlessly. I'm thinking there may be a bug with your USB MIDI implementation.