laxu
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Line6's own demos have sounded a lot better to me.
The reality is that amp modeling from a lot of companies is really good and we are firmly in incremental improvements territory rather than drastic improvements.
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The reality is that amp modeling from a lot of companies is really good and we are firmly in incremental improvements territory rather than drastic improvements.
Mongillo19
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While these clips are fun, I don't think you will know for certain if the toanz are for you until you try one in person
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Yeah, not a fan of those tones. I'm guessing he's dialled the cabs in to be quite dark sounding.
Sascha Franck
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Pretty much in line of him saying he's mainly a live player. For live, any excessive low or high end will not be too great, so you get used to dial in rather mid-rangey tones.
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There’s a lot more than just Agoura in those clips. Could be the cab, the mic, the guitar, who knows.
None of us will really know until we plug in for ourselves.
None of us will really know until we plug in for ourselves.
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I wouldn't use any of those tones live myself.
Sascha Franck
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I actually didn't like the clean tones much. They didn't sound as if they'd cut through a band context, either. But that's defenitely not the Stadium's fault.
Fantastic guitar player - he's top notch. But I did not like the way that he had those tones dialed in. Many of the tones sounded like from 2 generations ago.
Need to wait for more vids. I really like that guitar though! What a beauty!
Also, cool T-Shirt - I can has?
Need to wait for more vids. I really like that guitar though! What a beauty!
Also, cool T-Shirt - I can has?
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With modeling being as mature as it is today, I find it unlikely anyone will be able to put out something new that is truly groundbreaking. Maybe slightly better, but probably splitting hairs.
With that said, I didn’t love those tones. But as someone else mentioned, they might sound great in the mix.
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Most people know how the Helix sounds currently and the latest amps that were added were more of a true representation of the real hardware.
Through the life of the Helix, things only got better. I can only assume the same will occur over the life of Stadium.
The bigger sell for me is the expanded feature set.
Forums and YT are riddled with purchase bias, subjective tones, and remarks from people stating that their older devices "sound just as good". I like to categorize them as either people without ears, people who don't know how to mix and to those who have never played the real hardware.
Through the life of the Helix, things only got better. I can only assume the same will occur over the life of Stadium.
The bigger sell for me is the expanded feature set.
Forums and YT are riddled with purchase bias, subjective tones, and remarks from people stating that their older devices "sound just as good". I like to categorize them as either people without ears, people who don't know how to mix and to those who have never played the real hardware.
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The biggest problem with modelers is that they put a job of a mixing engineer on the hands of the guitar player. Personally I hate it. My job should stop at the speaker. I have made plenty of bad decisions tone wise in a recording environment while I don't really have that problem working with just an amp.
I wish that for once a modeler had an extensive review by someone like Eric Valentine. I want presets done not by a great guitar player, I want some by a great actual mixing engineer.
I wish that for once a modeler had an extensive review by someone like Eric Valentine. I want presets done not by a great guitar player, I want some by a great actual mixing engineer.
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makes me want to buy a Stingray.
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Kinda? Lots of research was done and great care was taken to understand what people believe "accurate" means—perhaps on a subconscious level—and it may not always mean measurable via test equipment. When another popular product's amp models quite literally cannot be dialed in to sound anywhere close to the real thing has sycophants who repeatedly parrot that their box is "the most accurate," we knew we had to dig in.
And chuckleheads. Don't forget chuckleheads.
The YouTube comment section is a vat of boiling diarrhea personified, even without the obvious [you know what company] bots and trolls.
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The buckeye burl one looks extra sweet, but Fluyff's tones were my least favorite of the bunch - no surprise, as I feel that way about how he dials real amps and cabs as well. I did dig his REVV Purple, but that's a hard amp to screw up.
Pete Thorn did a great job representing hard rock with his 2203, Solo 100 and German Xtra Red clips. His Plexi was also really good.
I do not play 127-string guitar like Javier Reyes, but his REVV clips were very good, and his EV Panama Red was fantastic.
holoholo
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But you can stop at the speaker by plugging into a cab?
JiveTurkey
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Fighting modelers for what seems like a decade + (AT LEAST) is a good recipe for just sticking with a traditional amp.
dean701
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I also look forward to Proxy but as you have seen, the scrutiny on forum sites, is insane. Null tests, graphical measurements, the use an abacus..... Word to the wise, make sure it's as good as it gets before the big reveal. You are a class act and I'm wishing you nothing but success.
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Fluff has his own signature pickups in the Stingray RS, "Custom Series Ryan “Fluff” Bruce Fishman Fluence Active Bridge Pickup, Fishman Fluence SSS-BA1 Single Width Active Neck Pickup"
