Line 6 Helix Stadium
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Thank you for bringing us back on track. I’m guessing (hoping for) the Solo100.
Nope.
Oh that's a proper nut to crack but a must have for me in any modeler. The best AC30 I have heard so far is the UA Ruby.
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I think this is among the ones that may not need too much "agoura-ing" all that soon, simply because it's absolutely excellent already (no idea how close to the real deal it is, though).
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Travelling around at the moment ... so not much posting ... but had a thought.
Re: Stadium and the "Hype" control naming.
To *me* the Stadium seems like its been designed and going to be a balls-to-the-wall top tier pro level device ... "almost" no compromises.
So is it just me (?) that thinks using the word "Hype" for this control is a bit gimmicky or consumer-grade ?
I think what it does is brilliant and it will be super popular amongst all levels of users ... however ... maybe something like "Idealized" or "Refined" (?)
Re: Stadium and the "Hype" control naming.
To *me* the Stadium seems like its been designed and going to be a balls-to-the-wall top tier pro level device ... "almost" no compromises.
So is it just me (?) that thinks using the word "Hype" for this control is a bit gimmicky or consumer-grade ?
I think what it does is brilliant and it will be super popular amongst all levels of users ... however ... maybe something like "Idealized" or "Refined" (?)
Using Hype is just fine. I'm stoked that it appears Ch. Volume has been renamed to just Level.
They're clearly aiming to be professional-grade and consumer-approachable. That's why they have the description of parameters pop up when you select them specifically. And why they have the 3D graphics. And the hype knob. And a version with a built-in expression pedal.
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The hype knob I think is a not so subtle tip off the hat to a certain company that’s plug in use a bunch of post processing and blasts your email for days with any new release
Just like Sheep icon is poking fun at themselves saying capturing is unfortunately now table stakes but everyone is doing it so we will as well,but they see Kemper as the OG and the rest are following his lead like sheep
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I really don’t know where that “bunch of post processing” thing comes from. The difference in amp sounds to me seems more like a different load used.
I also think the Hype control is dumb (no matter what it’s called) and if the option is there to remove it, I probably will. “Improving” the tone in some way is so context dependent, I don’t want someone just taking a blind stab in the dark at it. I love almost everything about Stadiums new features but the whole hype knob thing is not the direction I want things to go in. It’s a solution looking for a problem.
I also think the Hype control is dumb (no matter what it’s called) and if the option is there to remove it, I probably will. “Improving” the tone in some way is so context dependent, I don’t want someone just taking a blind stab in the dark at it. I love almost everything about Stadiums new features but the whole hype knob thing is not the direction I want things to go in. It’s a solution looking for a problem.
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They're taking the piss out of Neural DSP and how hyped their amp sims are, and how everyone loves them and believes the marketing hype about realism, when they're simply not realistic.
I mean, they explained the reasoning pretty clearly, and it really has almost nothing to do with poking fun at competitors.
People's perception of amps as they hear them on records after tons of EQ, boosts and post-processing is applied is often divorced from the reality of said amp played raw in the room. The same way people say that they love Mesa Mark tones from Metallica or Dream Theater, but struggle to dial them in. The same way they think that Plexis and JCM 800s have tons of gain because of the way that they hear them on records. Or how 5150s are a benchmark metal tone, but sound fizzy and suboptimal when you plug straight in.
That is why the hype knob exists. Hell, take modeling out of the equation. The entire "boutique amp" industry is largely-based on real-life Hype knobs (AKA mods) getting core Marshall/Fender/Vox/Mesa circuits closer to the sound, saturation and response buyers THINK they should have.
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There is a video of Igor with a Badonk model comparing to Gojira , there is definitely some low cut some high cut going or what Igor mentions the tone controls have a limited sweep and seem to focus on a sweet spot like the range between 11oclock and 2 o’clock on a normal amp ,that avoids too much lows and too much highs , I am not saying it a bad thing at all
Many love their plug ins
Sascha Franck
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I was actually wondering at first, but I think it's fine. It's offering an easy way to alter the overall sound/feel of an amp, instead of fooling around with parameters quite some folks may not know what they're doing.
And after all, nobody's forcing you to use it at all.
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I think it cool as DI says it does different mods to each amp so it’s not the same behind the scene parameters that are being changed it amp specific , that alone must have taken a lot of work
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I didn’t imply anything about poking fun. I just don’t like the concept of “we fixed it for you” because in my experience, these at best make things weird and at worst sound bad.
The amount of post processing is not some kind of fixed cheat code - sometimes it may be next to nothing and other times it may be extreme. In any case, it’s never a consistent thing and would relate to far to many variables that would change for every user and every situation. I don’t mind offering sensible mods to amps but I just don’t like the concept of a hype knob to fix things that aren’t broken.
Badonk isn’t a 5150 III though. You could do the same thing with 2 other different amps to make them sound more alike. I remember someone match-EQing a metal zone to a 5150 about 15 years ago and it sounded depressingly close.
I sold my 5150 III after comparing it side by side with Gojira, I didn’t hear anything extra being done to the tone at all.
I’m all for changing the tone, but I’d rather do it with purpose and a clear direction. A single knob changing under the hood parameters leaves way too much to chance/random. It’s not how I personally want to dial things in, but I understand it may appeal to others. It’s aimed at people who maybe don’t know what they’re doing. That’s not the direction I personally like.
They never called the Hype knob a fix. They just know the perception of many amps doesn't match the reality when you plug in the first time and hit a chord.
There IS a clear purpose and direction because each amp has a different type of "hype" applied should you choose to use it.
Also.....maybe you missed it, but it's a knob. That means you can dial in as little or as much as you can stand. They clearly say it's not some all-encompassing panacea. You might like it subtly applied on the amp of your choice. Or you may want a lot. It you may want none.
How is giving users that choice bad?
