Line 6 Helix Stadium

[GTR37]

What if you were to use downtunings? Or a bass? Or an acoustic guitar?

You might have to clean that up even more depending on how many tracks and what else is the mix if you want it tight
If gorilla fart is what you are going for by all means boost the sub frequencies

 

[GTR37]

Ultimately, this is the only thing that needs to be said. Every mix I ever worked on was different, from song to song, and even from section to section within the same song. Because context.

Asserting that XYZ always needs to be done, is just wrong.

True but there are certainly area that producer will look to control low end buildup is going to be one of those areas
So to say the big guys don’t have a tool kit or process or template that they will go to first would be incorrect

Your statement about using no filtering is an odd one because pretty every modern hi gain amp you love has a ton of it , and it’s cutting bass somewhere in the circuit

As always there are exceptions to the rule
But controlling low end buildup on heavy rock guitar tracks is something that producers do pretty much every time

 

[EOengineer]

Your statement about using no filtering is an odd one because pretty every modern hi gain amp you love has a ton of it , and it’s cutting bass somewhere in the circuit

I read that statement more as a preference to avoid high pass or low pass filters because of the phase smearing they can cause. You’ll sometimes see folks prefer shelves instead, as they tend to be a little more transparent IF you have to use EQ. I just try to avoid EQ as much as possible period.

 

[GTR37]

I read that statement more as a preference to avoid high pass or low pass filters because of the phase smearing they can cause. You’ll sometimes see folks prefer shelves instead, as they tend to be a little more transparent IF you have to use EQ. I just try to avoid EQ as much as possible period.

Ah fair point , I can see that

 

[Orvillain]

True but there are certainly area that producer will look to control low end buildup is going to be one of those areas

never said otherwise

So to say the big guys don’t have a tool kit or process or template that they will go to first would be incorrect

never said that

Your statement about using no filtering is an odd one because pretty every modern hi gain amp you love has a ton of it , and it’s cutting bass somewhere in the circuit

for a live tone, far less filtering is used as a baseline anyway, and my initial opening gambit would be to try to avoid it

As always there are exceptions to the rule

There are no rules

But controlling low end buildup on heavy rock guitar tracks is something that producers do pretty much every time

Yes I know, I've done it.

I read that statement more as a preference to avoid high pass or low pass filters because of the phase smearing they can cause. You’ll sometimes see folks prefer shelves instead, as they tend to be a little more transparent IF you have to use EQ. I just try to avoid EQ as much as possible period.

Yes this is part of it for sure. I'd nearly always go for a shelf than a LP or HP, because they don't fuck the phase as much. But your last point is also what I go for.

 

[HomespunEffects]

What if you were to use downtunings? Or a bass? Or an acoustic guitar?

I’ll let you know if that ever happens.

 

[Digital Igloo]

What a douchebag.

"I'm not buying the product because I don't need some of its features".

So, you don't use, say, MIDI, along with whatever device. "Boohoo, I'm not buying this device because it has MIDI! The MIDI-caused complexity is too much for me, boohoo!"
That's essentially what he's saying.

Yep. "No one needs an expensive Lamborghini because my 1998 Ford Focus gets me to church, the bingo hall, and the 99¢ Only store just fine."

Thanks for inviting us into the pain of that process. Insightful. I’m just going to point and call it “The Unit” from here on out.

I wasn’t trying to critique the name. I just thought maybe there was something that drove the decision other than it being the least dumb sounding option.

Wasn't quoting you, amigo. You're golden.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

Yep. "No one needs an expensive Lamborghini because my 1998 Ford Focus gets me to church, the bingo hall, and the 99¢ Only store just fine."

Wasn't quoting you, amigo. You're golden.

I'd much rather have a Helix Stadium than a 1998 Ford Focus.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

I'd much rather have a Helix Stadium than a 1998 Ford Focus.

I'd even rather have a 1998 Line 6 POD than a 1998 Ford Focus.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

I'd even rather have a 1998 Line 6 POD than a 1998 Ford Focus.

At least the pod is a classic now

 

[AlbertA]

If such a thing is even possible, it would be interesting to learn if knowledge from Agoura’s new tooling has trickled into any of the harder to pull off fuzz and drive effects. Fuzz is definitely one of those areas where modeling seems to show its edges, and one of the areas I poke at when each new gen platform comes around. Helix fuzzes were significantly better than the previous generation.

Even with a perfect digital model, some fuzzes (a lot?) have low input impedance, loading your guitar pickups, changing their response, which the digital device won't do - It's the same effect as adding a buffered pedal in front of those fuzzes.

 

[sashimi]

Even with a perfect digital model, some fuzzes (a lot?) have low input impedance, loading your guitar pickups, changing their response, which the digital device won't do - It's the same effect as adding a buffered pedal in front of those fuzzes.

Don’t most modelers have variable input impedance?

I think helix does fuzz pretty well. I like arbitrator and pocket fuzz.

 

[HotRats]

I've just saw the Plexi sound sample video and that one sounds really good for sure.

 

[AlbertA]

Don’t most modelers have variable input impedance?

I think helix does fuzz pretty well. I like arbitrator and pocket fuzz.

The Axe-Fx III and Helix do have a few choices for the input impedance with a selectable R and/or RC passive component bank, but some Fuzz pedals, like the Fuzz face for example, connect the input straight to the transistors, which means the input impedance is non-linear, therefore signal dependent, not just a passive RC network.

My original point is that, there's limits to accurately emulating some fuzz pedals (the unbuffered ones) in just the digital domain.

 

[mbenigni]

until I see a stadium next to a hot tub... it's all hearsay

Hotub.

Jeez, is nothing sacred?

 

[DanRad]

Double helix was best name it could have been. Stadium is rather generic and cheesy and unpro to me.
All this talk of ground up and redoing everything like it’s a new modeling experience yet why is all the old helix stuff in there? I don’t understand why you guys just didn’t revamp at all and then release it with the revamp stuff in it even if it would’ve taken another six months or eight monthsI still think that would be a better idea because I believe that digital igloo said there’s no way to get rid of all the old helix stuff once the thing is loaded with all the new agora amps and effects

 

[yek]

Hmm, after scrolling through the pages of the last week:

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TBH, the 'armchair engineer' attitude in this place is getting a little out of hand.

• yek

 

[mbenigni]

And I don't particularly want a Cuisinart. Who cares?

 

[mbenigni]

The double helix is the shape DNA takes and it houses the software that runs all life on earth. You got this new powerful software modeling system, it could have been a nod to that.

Makes sense. Unfortunately, the fast food hamburger industry has ruined the word "double" for everyone.

(It literally sounds cheesy.)

 

[Sascha Franck]

You might have to clean that up even more depending on how many tracks and what else is the mix if you want it tight

You may do that on a per patch level or in a mix. But not on the global EQ of any modeler. IMO at least.