Line 6 Helix Stadium

[Mikael Dez]

I wonder how many more pages this argument with King is gonna take up

 

[Sascha Franck]

in fact, never buy a device based on future promises, from any manufacturer.

This!

 

[Sascha Franck]

The red sliders are so 'Helix', I thought 10 years was enough time to evolve from that.

There's 8 knobs below the screen. Couldn't care less about sliders or whatever it might be as long as there's a clear visual readout of what I'm tweaking. Which I think there is.
Now, talking about HXNative, that's a whole different story...

 

[Stone]

Have to say this is a fantastic product, Helix has Upped the game, no doubts
Sure its new and wont have all the feature but thats normal they are just saying when some of those will be available so no its not an incomplete product they are just mapping out the future of the new Helix
Knowing Line6 there will be many many updates to improve over the 10 or so years
im Sure this will be a big success for Line6

Kudos to all the team

 

[laxu]

There's 8 knobs below the screen. Couldn't care less about sliders or whatever it might be as long as there's a clear visual readout of what I'm tweaking. Which I think there is.
Now, talking about HXNative, that's a whole different story...

Yeah the sliders make total sense on the Helix hardware. Zero complaints about that.

Helix Native...not so much. That plugin is so uncomfortable for editing because of the stupid scroll behavior and the way it doesn't scale in size but instead just makes the damn sliders longer.

 

[GTR37]

re: this L6 slag-post - just goes to prove the point that there are f*ck-knuckles in every Product forum

On what level was this bag of bullshit post "interesting" or "logical" Tim ?

Just playing the trolly-provocation game.

F.F.S.

I actually know who that is and he is honestly one of the nicest guys on the planet
Seriously not sure an about that post but he is as honest as they come and extremely knowledgeable about amps and building

 

[GTR37]

Great algorithmic reverbs need plenty of CPU power. Great polyphonic pitch shifting (especially at low latencies) needs even more. Etc.

We don’t really know how much CPU they have under the hood though
If it’s the chips Ciff was guessing each on is capable of a full helix OG , if they do in fact have 2 that would be double OG at minimum

 

[GTR37]

You have your fractal for all that James :)

Actually I would like to Virtual tube swap from a 34 to 6l6
And have access to the negative feedback and bright caps just the simple stuff like that in an advanced section that hidden on a swipe up or something would be cool

 

[Sascha Franck]

That plugin is so uncomfortable for editing because of the stupid scroll behavior and the way it doesn't scale in size but instead just makes the damn sliders longer.

Add to this the unpredictable scrollwheel behaviour (which is getting quite worse when using a trackpad, such as that on my Macbook). Ok, it's not even unpredictable, but due to the nature of the small faders, the sweet spot is way too tiny.

 

[Sascha Franck]

We don’t really know how much CPU they have under the hood though

Sure.
Still, I'd love an IR loader capable of dealing with reverb-long IRs for a whole variety of reasons. Creating some of your own is incredible fun for me.

 

[GTR37]

I wonder how many more pages this argument with King is gonna take up

Till stardate 2105

 

[BenIfin]

I actually know who that is and he is honestly one of the nicest guys on the planet
Seriously not sure an about that post but he is as honest as they come and extremely knowledgeable about amps and building

Good to know - we all have crabby posting days ..... some [ me ] more than most :)

 

[KingsXJJ]

You're talking as if this new product is some piece of shit straight to Amazon for 30 dollars not even as good as Mooer type of thing.

You are the dumbass. The assiest of dumbs. If weight lifters lifted asses instead of dumb bells, your face would be on the cheeks.

Complete horseshit. I said nothing of the sort at all. It’s a pattern. Even @Digital Igloo mischaracterizes what I said and how I feel. That doesn’t surprise me because that serves who writes his checks. It’s on his interest to do so. What’s your excuse?

Call me all the names you want. It strengthens your bullshit allegations in your mind I guess.

You guys make all the excuses you need for buying this. Call it “a work in progresss” or whatever you like.

My position has been distorted, mangled and treated with hostility. Let’s sum it up once again from the horse’s mouth:

I’m disappointed it won’t launch with a completely new set of next gen effects. I expected the Stadium to have better and newer effects than my HX One from day one. Since it won’t I am disappointed.

Oh, the insanity of such a position. What a complete dumbass for even considering that desire much less mentioning it.

Spin it in to whatever you want that supports your peace of mind. I stood up in the crowd and mentioned that I found the Emperor’s new clothes disappointing.

Wake me when the 3.8 equivalent of firmware is released.

 

[KingsXJJ]

ftfy

Mom jokes. Yes, sounds about right.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Complete horseshit. I said nothing of the sort at all. It’s a pattern. Even @Digital Igloo mischaracterizes what I said and how I feel. That doesn’t surprise me because that’s serves who writes his checks. It’s on his interest to do so. What’s your excuse?

Call me all the names you want. It strengthens your bullshit allegations in your mind I guess.

You guys make all the excuses you need for buying this. Call it “a work in progresss” or whatever you like.

My position has been distorted, mangled and treated with hostility. Let’s sum it up once again from the horse’s mouth:

I’m disappointed it won’t launch with a completely new set of next gen effects. I expected the Stadium to have better and newer effects than my HX One from day one. Since it won’t I am disappointed.

Oh, the insanity of such a position. What a complete dumbass for even considering that desire much less mentioning it.

Spin it in to whatever you want that supports your peace of mind. I stood up in the crowd and mentioned that I found the Emperor’s new clothes disappointing.

 

[Chocol8]

Oh, the insanity of such a position. What a complete dumbass for even considering that desire much less mentioning it.

I have to admit I was wrong. I didn’t think you would be able to figure it out, but it seems you have.

 

[KingsXJJ]

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Smart. You wouldn’t have heard them anyway.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Smart. You wouldn’t have heard them anyway.

 

[Orvillain]

Complete horseshit. I said nothing of the sort at all. It’s a pattern. Even @Digital Igloo mischaracterizes what I said and how I feel. That doesn’t surprise me because that’s serves who writes his checks. It’s on his interest to do so. What’s your excuse?

"You're talking as if" literally means I know you didn't explicitly say it. But you're talking as if you might as well have said it. It isn't a mischaracterization. It is an interpretation. People do that. Ho hum.

Call me all the names you want. It strengthens your bullshit allegations in your mind I guess.

Thanks but I don't need your permission. You bedwetter.

You guys make all the excuses you need for buying this. Call it “a work in progresss” or whatever you like.

My excuse for buying this is, it looks like it not only fixes all of the issues with Helix and brings it into the modern world, but it also will probably compete with Fractal very well. It might even be an overall better unit. Now of course I'm not putting my money down until I've tried one. But I used a Helix from 2016-2021 pretty much exclusively. I had a lot of fun and played many gigs with it in tandem with my valve amps. That counts for a lot in my view.

My position has been distorted, mangled and treated with hostility. Let’s sum it up once again from the horse’s mouth:

Maybe you're communication skills are just dogshit beyond dogshit belief?? Maybe instead of shagging Shatner's Bassoon all the time, you could work on that.

I’m disappointed it won’t launch with a completely new set of next gen effects. I expected the Stadium to have better and newer effects than my HX One from day one. Since it won’t I am disappointed.

I'll tell you what I tell my 2 year old - "I want" doesn't get!!
I've been one of the loudest voices when it comes to not enjoying quite a number of the Helix delays, and pretty much all of the reverbs. If Stadium doesn't launch with upgraded reverbs, I will be disappointed sure. But am I going to go on a crusade about it? No. I'm going to look at the facts on the ground.

Line 6 support their shit. This isn't a NeuralDSP situation where they just want to rinse customers (particularly of their plugins) and resell them the same thing over and over. Line 6 has an exceptional track record of providing firmware updates, new features, new effects. Eric even said they're not done with Helix "1.0" .. the bloody thing was released in 2015... do you know how rare 10 years of updates actually is???

Even if Stadium didn't have any additional effects at launch, you still get roughly a gajillion different effects, and with the new units increased headroom you are going to hear some improvements just because of that.

Ultimately, the customer>company relationship DOES require trust. I buy Solovair boots because Doc Marten's today are complete dogshit. I buy Line6 and Fractal hardware and software because I know they care about what they're building and they do their best to meet customer demand. I don't buy Kemper or Neural hardware for the opposite reason.

Oh, the insanity of such a position. What a complete dumbass for even considering that desire much less mentioning it.

The problem is, you lay it on way too thick. You make it sound like the sky is falling down, and we all want to take the piss out of you because of it. The histrionics are hilarious.

Spin it in to whatever you want that supports your peace of mind. I stood up in the crowd and mentioned that I found the Emperor’s new clothes disappointing.

Like this comment here... Emperor's new clothes... what an absolutely twatty thing to say.

This is you.

 

[KingsXJJ]

It does my friend and I have stated how I feel. Others have stated how they feel.

It’s time to move on to the next item up for bids.