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Wow so the “old helix” sucks is what I get from this … that 1st snippet pretty much said this.. so who would buy the old helix new??? Poor people I guess
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Wow so the “old helix” sucks is what I get from this … that 1st snippet pretty much said this.. so who would buy the old helix new??? Poor people I guess
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Also the same old YouTube pro line6 guys will get the unit free and rave about how it’s the greatest thing ever blah blah blah… I say make the influencers buy it if they want to review it so they have some skin in the game
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It’s always like this each time a next gen modeler is released. Just like when you step up from the 42 inch 1080 tv to the 77inch 8k. Things are the best until they aren’t.
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This is wrong Di. I’m shocked and honestly quite dissatisfied. I mean…
if i was a intern at your hq…
I would def enforce the practice of always saluting any coworker (military style) and always begin the salute with
“Helix, dear Eric. How’s your day?”
“Helix Frank, where have you been lately?”
“Helix Ben, that amp… it has a scratchy pot… can you model that?”
Congrats btw. Awesome stuff as always!
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Yeah it sucks. I was playing my helix as i watched the live stream on Wednesday and it sounded so good, until i could literally hear it start to sound like shit about 10 seconds after digital igloo walked out on stage.
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“Lipstick on a pig” is an old saying for something old trying to look like something new. Another one is “ mutton dressed as lamb “ which also doesn’t imply a similarity to a sheep. That’s exactly what I meant, not that the original models were a pig. Line 6 have form for constantly rereleasing old tech in a new box so it’s a perfectly valid question.
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I would buy a gen 1 Helix today if a modeler is what i needed. Theyre great. Floor or LT or Stomp doesnt really matter much, theyre great.
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Thanks. And yeah, that's all fine. Fortunately you didn't go for that other box'es distance.
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I don't understand why they also removed the scribble strips from the HXS, it could have been just a 0.5" taller and have the scribble strips.
Is the HXS more akin to the og LT in the new gen?
Is the HXS more akin to the og LT in the new gen?
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something more than just a exp pedal difference is my guess... imho they've could have differentiated them even more (im no marketing strategist by any means... though)
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Yeah, likely this.
I'd also say it's not just the size. You gotta differentiate them enough to warrant the different price tags.
Personally, even if I generally kinda like onboard EXP pedals, by now I'd also prefer a unit without one but still featuring scribble strips. Guess you can't have it all.
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IMHO the main reason is pricing/marketing, therefore cost.
Feels like they didn't want to make an LT version of the flagship, at least not now, and they did it the other way around.
Looks like they are telling us that Stadium is the main product while XL is the expanded version, expanded only on the hardware side.
This would explain the "bizzarre" naming scheme.
Naming is not the strongest point in this new products line, if you ask me.
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Not sure about that, scribble strips are a flagship feature imho like they were in the og Helix, that makes the the smaller HXS a cut version of the HXS XL which is the flagship in this gen.
So all in all, the new flagship still has the bullshit pedal no one even uses and is still unnecessary large.
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Well, back in my Floor days, I used the pedal all the time. But as said, by now I'd likely be happier with a pedal-less version and just add a pedal when needed. Better backpack/suitcase compatibility that way.
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Fruity loops Blood Overdrive.
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Not sure about that, scribble strips are a flagship feature imho like they were in the og Helix, that makes the the smaller HXS a cut version of the HXS XL which is the flagship in this gen.
So all in all, the new flagship still has the bullshit pedal no one even uses and is still unnecessary large.
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MAAAN, don't even mention it! *Way* back in the days I snagged this from the FL demo package (they had it in there as a non-protected DLL, no GUI or anything) and it was just marvellous on filter sweeping synths and what not. To this day, I haven't found anything doing the same. And I certainly wish this was available in my guitar arsenal, too.
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The Stadium IS the new LT, without the exp pedal as many of us wanted. An LT version of the Stadium XL (no scribble strips, less fx loops, etc) would be very difficult to sell due to the existence of the Stadium. How much would they charge for it? How could they make it not fight with the Stadium?
There must have enough differences between two adjacent models to justify the price difference. It makes sense they've dropped the scribble strips.
The Stadium XL also needed to have an expression pedal. Many of us don't want it, but probably the same amount of people want it. The product line they've come to, I think it's the best they could to give everyone something they would want.
I also don't expect a new Stomp AND Stomp XL. I'm guessing they will make a single small unit that merges those two. Less products, easier life for devs and support. If you compare the Helix family with any other brand, it's way too many SKUs.
Once you've been able to analyze the market for 10 years, you can simplify your offer in what brings more revenue. I think that discards Rack and Stomp, and not sure about Effects.
